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Imo Toyota is way too conservative a company to sell a real performance car. This thing just oozes think tank marketing and no real passion or risk taking. All imo of course
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With Tetsuya Tada-San involved in the project I'm going to to have to disagree on the passion part. I guess time will tell.
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But the American coupes are at a much lower price point than the supra. The smaller motor ones anyway. The supra looks like a classy sports car that probably won't excel at anything.
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Put it this way - if the Miata/S2000 is an A and the FR-S is a B+, the F80 M3 would be a B at worst. Not great, but still pretty good. (Some other comparison points - I'd give my old 350z a C and my old 987.2 Boxster S an A-. E46 M3 and 330ci would get B+).
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Economy of scale and/or using existing parts. Making manual transmissions for something that is expected to sell in the millions during its manufacturing phase (even if it is 10%) is different then something that will sell in the thousands. Again, I'm not defending their actions so much as seeing that there are multitude of fiscally responsible reasons Toyota feels no obligation to sell the Supra with a MT. It could be as simple as testing showed the BMW one doesn't meet their standards and they don't want to spend the engineering dollars to build a new one or tweak the existing one.
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Interesting. I have, and while the Mcars usually have shorter throw shifters, I don't find the feedback and pedal action to be much better than the others. Most interesting is that you rate the 350Z so low. The shifter on the 350z feels solid and very accurate to me. Can't remember the pedal action which probably means it was okay, neither good nor bad. I'd rate the cars you mentioned like this: S2000 A NB Miata A- BRZ A- 350z B 987 C+ E46/E90 M3 C+ E46//E90 C When I called BMW manuals terrible I meant for a sports car. When compared to MTs in ecoboxes and trucks the BMW manuals are great. The mostly need more feedback and no delay in the clutch action. I can live with longish throws. Interesting that we disagree on where the Z and the Cayman end up. |
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They could be, but I don't believe that is the majority. Most people will look at the 200HP or the new and improved 205HP rating and laugh because they could get a vehicle that has 70 or more horsepower for the same amount of money or less. Horsepower and 0-60 times can be the deciding factor for a lot of coupe buyers. Your regular buyer, whether their young or old, is not going to care about all the other things that the car has to offer. I could only see them choosing the 86/BRZ if they are in love with the looks (hopefully not the remodeled 86 ).
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My issue with my 350z shifter was that it was really vague and loose, and would sometimes lock out 2nd even when warm. That said, I did buy mine with 60k miles on it so that might have something to do with it, not sure. My Boxster S was really good. Had that German feel about it - throws were long and not a whole lot of feedback going into each gate, but smooth and precise.
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My ratings would be similar to yours. Maybe a C+ on the 350Z (assuming it's the same as the G35). |
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I'm thinking to eventually get into one as my RWD daily and family car. Looks promising so far: big trunk, enough rear-room to fit 2 car seats, seemingly-good reliability in NA base guise, decent gas mileage, supposedly-excellent hydraulic steering... |
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