2022 Lotus Emira, the last ICE for the brand.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I just don't think "simplify and add lightness" is their vision anymore

Well, given they just discontinued a featherweight sub-1000kg car (Elise) and 'replaced' it and its lightweight sibling (Exige) with a 1400kg GT car, I'd have to agree, they seem to have updated the motto to "complicate and add weight."

I think it's a real shame there is no true successor to the Elise or Exige. The Emira is pretty obviously only a replacement for the Evora. But if it keeps Lotus afloat as a company, and they are still building sportscars, I guess it is worth it.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by gymratter

And that is 'just' the tuned Toyota based 3.5L V6 ('from a Camry') with a supercharger. It still sounds glorious. People (including me) go nuts over the sound of a Porsche flat 6, but this just goes to show that even a humble V6 (even one from more mundane vehicles) can still dish the goods if it is tuned properly and has a decent exhaust. The AMG 2.0 might even be a better performer with the boost turned all the way up, but I think I'd be picking the V6 every time.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Red-86

Well, given they just discontinued a featherweight sub-1000kg car (Elise) and 'replaced' it and its lightweight sibling (Exige) with a 1400kg GT car, I'd have to agree, they seem to have updated the motto to "complicate and add weight."

I think it's a real shame there is no true successor to the Elise or Exige. The Emira is pretty obviously only a replacement for the Evora. But if it keeps Lotus afloat as a company, and they are still building sportscars, I guess it is worth it.

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The Evora was just boring looking for a Lotus. This looks better than the Evora, but what I would have loved to see is an exotic looking Exige--a Miata on steroids. I think the styling is there, and I am glad they ditched the useless back seats, but the dimensions and weight leave me scratching my head.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Red-86

And that is 'just' the tuned Toyota based 3.5L V6 ('from a Camry') with a supercharger. It still sounds glorious. People (including me) go nuts over the sound of a Porsche flat 6, but this just goes to show that even a humble V6 (even one from more mundane vehicles) can still dish the goods if it is tuned properly and has a decent exhaust. The AMG 2.0 might even be a better performer with the boost turned all the way up, but I think I'd be picking the V6 every time.

The Toyota 2GR 3.5 always sounded glorious in Evora S form. (I think the non-S sounded a bit more "normal 2GR 3.5")
I dont know what they did to get that sound but adding an exhaust to say a Camry or an IS with that same motor (abeit N/A) could not reproduce it.

[WolfpackS2k]

V6 all the way. That its a Toyota piece is even better. To hell with a crude tiny 4 banger.

[Kiske]

85k for the S/C V6
https://www.lotuspalmbeach.com/emira.html

[jflogerzi]

to rich for my blood, but I will love to see this and C8 go head to head as lets face it no one is getting close to MSRP on the C8s

[ACT86]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

The Toyota 2GR 3.5 always sounded glorious in Evora S form. (I think the non-S sounded a bit more "normal 2GR 3.5")
I dont know what they did to get that sound but adding an exhaust to say a Camry or an IS with that same motor (abeit N/A) could not reproduce it.

The 400 models on came with a better exhaust. Heaps of aftermarket options, but they all sound amazing (the same) with a good setup. Amazing from such a common run of the mill engine.

[LancePower]

Originally Posted by Kiske

85k for the S/C V6
https://www.lotuspalmbeach.com/emira.html



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My color combo. Excellent taste, sir.

Although, I went with the Alcantara seats and wheel.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

The Toyota 2GR 3.5 always sounded glorious in Evora S form. (I think the non-S sounded a bit more "normal 2GR 3.5")
I dont know what they did to get that sound but adding an exhaust to say a Camry or an IS with that same motor (abeit N/A) could not reproduce it.

A supercharger creates resonance in the manifold and changes the turbulence of the air. Like how a turbocharger can muddle the exhaust note, a supercharger can liven it, and adding more power helps.

[serialk11r]

A supercharger just makes the exhaust sound louder, the harmonics are still basically identical (backpressure increase is negligible). It adds a bit of noise to the intake though. I haven't actually driven an Evora S before but my friend said you can definitely hear the supercharger.

An NA 2GR sounds great with a louder muffler than what comes on a Sienna. The 2GR swapped MR2s sound glorious.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

An NA 2GR sounds great with a louder muffler than what comes on a Sienna. The 2GR swapped MR2s sound glorious.

Fuck yeah they do. I have seen this car in person. Sounds amazing.

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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

A supercharger just makes the exhaust sound louder, the harmonics are still basically identical (backpressure increase is negligible). It adds a bit of noise to the intake though. I haven't actually driven an Evora S before but my friend said you can definitely hear the supercharger.

An NA 2GR sounds great with a louder muffler than what comes on a Sienna. The 2GR swapped MR2s sound glorious.

I wasn’t just talking about exhaust note. I really don’t have an equally powerful (impossible anyways) version of the same engine (one NA and one SC) to tell if there is a resonance change to induction or if the only difference is more power. The way to compare might be to compare a centrifugal SC to a positive displacement SC of the same power. I believe the noises are different, but in general, I’m fine conceding the point and just chalking it up to more power flowing through a similar exhaust.

[Capt Spaulding]

I quite like the Toyota 3.5 V6. My wife has a '12 V6 Camry SE. I know the car doesn't get a lot of love, but that engine is, I think. worth the price of admission. Even in the Camry I love passing 18 wheelers on two lanes just to listen to it. I just wish you could get some decent aftermarket suspension pieces for it.

Sadly, the Lotus is a non-starter for me, as is the Miata, the C8, and the Cayman. Of all the sports/sporty cars on the market the BRZ is the only one I've found that comes close to fitting me. The others are designed around micro-drivers. I realize how normal distributions work and I can tell you that height is one of the attributes where being over two standard deviations from the mean has its drawbacks when it comes to cars.