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11-19-2020, 12:04 PM | #393 | |
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I'm sure it is not a drop-in and plug-n-play, but it would be far easier and have lots of benefits. This platform is like the Miata or Hondas. It will be used for decades for track days and autocross. Engine swaps are a huge part of this platform. I could totally see doing a swap over buying an all new or slightly used 2nd gen down the road.
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It's always hard for me to tell from 2-dimensional images. Have to see the car in person. But, yep... more pics and videos confirm my previous impressions. Not bad, not bad at all. But... I personally don't like the exterior styling as much as the first gen car. It's blander. It's a disjointed mix of curves and creases, especially in the profile. I miss the eliminated curves from the front fenders, and the rear still looks like the car backed into something.
Likewise the interior, it's fine, nice upgrades to the switchgear, digital dash is cohesive but doesn't do it for me. But that touchscreen... it looks amateurly glued onto the dash. Like something I did as a teenager. But... the power and torque of the 2.4 sounds very nice. A test drive will definitely be called for to see if the improved driving experience to my butt offsets the decline in visual appeal to my eyes. But again... if I'm going to switch cars, the Nissan Z seems more compelling. |
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11-19-2020, 12:10 PM | #395 |
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^^^agree, in person is always the best way to judge a car. until then all we have are pics. the issue i have with PR pics is the lighting and all the editing that happens. they try so hard to make it look good that they usually end up with the opposite effect. it just looks too artificial to me.
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11-19-2020, 12:12 PM | #396 |
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I just noticed the taillights are kinda shaped like wings, almost like the original Tribeca grille. Perhaps a nod to Subaru's history as Nakajima aircraft?
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The subtle difference are the front fenders aren't arched as much, and this was probably intentionally done because they dropped the nose forward and lower to hid the mustache. The rear looks to be less blunt, truncated off on the 2nd gen. The effect of the rear bump/trunk slant forward, the front fender air exhaust slant, the lower front fenders/hood slant and more lower and forward nose along with the stretched side profile of the lights, gives the whole vehicle a more forward leaning posture. I'm not saying it is a bad thing. Overall, I think the design is good enough. It is more modern, so it is an improvement in that regard, which makes the old model look older, but the old model is postured better, for sure. I see what others are saying. I just don't have as much of a gripe about those changes.
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Anyone find any posts where the car is photoshopped in a bunch of different colors?
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I think i know why it looks...wierd sometimes.
-I dont like that black plastic surrounds on the front fascia where the vents are, i think theres too much of it. -The lower rocker panel detail where it kind of sticks out and sweeps upwards...that doesnt appear to be designed very well, it doesnt seem to fit the lines at all. -The RCF style vent seems to be a little too low compared to the real rcf (makes it look a little odd to me, like its in the "wrong spot") and the way it blends into the front wheel well makes it look super tacked on. |
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i like how all former and current owners of the 1st gen are giving their opinions on this new car. It seems like we are still the only ones that understand this new gen and why its not turbo
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Many of the popular swaps are now kitted, available ready to go with a potential for far more than you will get out of the 24. Little point in doing a swap if you can reach similar goals by modding the existing engine. You can compare it to people that thought the other Subaru engines from WRX and STI would just pop in. The reality was that there was maybe one that every actually made it work.
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Back to the drawing board. You are comparing one actual dyno reading of the old against the factory theoretical of the new. This is not apples to apples.
You need to either compare both factory numbers or two actual dynos from the same machine, on the same day, under the same condition. There will obviously still be a gap but not nearly as severe as that looks.
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Apples to apples (in car 2022 vs in car 2017+) |
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Again, in case I am not making myself clear, I am not comparing dyno's. I am just comparing one general curve to the other and overlaying them based on their peak numbers. Keep in mind, too, the gap only looks so severe because of how stretched the graph is. I could have stretched it much less, and the gap would be much smaller. I just wanted to stretch it to better see specific values. |
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Well, like I said in another post, if the internals are strengthened to match the displacement then potential will likely go from the 350hp to 400hp and maybe higher. If the transmission is slightly stronger then the combination of the extra strength, extra potential on stock internals and extra performance from more low end torque and faster turbo spooling means this swap could be cheaper and better than paying for a built motor. For gen 2 owners, this means hitting a horsepower figure that is very respectable, approaching the limits of traction for many gears and reduces the substantial cost that comes from wanting to break the 350-400whp ceiling. For gen 1 owners who blew a motor or want to swap over building a motor, this should be an attractive option.
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