5 Reasons You Shouldn't Care About Horsepower (As Much)

[86prime]

I dunno, how's everyone else improving it? I own a BRZ, I drive a BRZ, I voted for it with real money. But I don't pretend it's perfect or make excuses for Toyobaru.

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[JesseG]

Originally Posted by 86prime

I dunno, how's everyone else improving it? I own a BRZ, I drive a BRZ, I voted for it with real money. But I don't pretend it's perfect or make excuses for Toyobaru.

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I think that’s one of the best things about this platform. There is enough aftermarket support it can be anything you want. And nobody will ever agree on what is perfect. If Toyobaru built it to Porsche 911 or even Cayman price levels people would flip out.


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[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Joveen

You say whatever you want. But if the car never needed more power. Most on her wouldn't try to get more out it doing modifications, whether bolt ons or FI. The car is slow and I don't need a track to tell me that. Fricking Priuses zipping pass while I'm going 75 is enough to tell me that.

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Most car enthusiasts I know modify because we like to tinker If I wanted something with power I wouldn't have bought a twin that's for sure.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 86prime

I dunno, how's everyone else improving it? I own a BRZ, I drive a BRZ, I voted for it with real money. But I don't pretend it's perfect or make excuses for Toyobaru.

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Nobody says it is perfect. But some of the "imperfections" that people complain about are just plain foolish. It is the common statement of "they just need to do XXX and all would be perfect" that annoy the hell out of me. Doesn't matter what you can do with aftermarket modifications since you don't have to meet the requirements the OEM does. Saying "it is simple" is meaningless.
There are far more expensive cars than these out there that have torque dips but nobody is whining about them.

[86prime]

Aftermarket is great... but CARB legal? I know, no one wants to talk about it or even pretend that they care... But remember all the CA people swapping back to stock exhaust for a short time? Oh well.

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[86prime]

Here's a crazy idea. New "exhaust manifold" design from the factory, 50 state legal.

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[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nobody says it is perfect. But some of the "imperfections" that people complain about are just plain foolish. It is the common statement of "they just need to do XXX and all would be perfect" that annoy the hell out of me. Doesn't matter what you can do with aftermarket modifications since you don't have to meet the requirements the OEM does. Saying "it is simple" is meaningless.
There are far more expensive cars than these out there that have torque dips but nobody is whining about them.

Those more expensive cars also aren't starting with best-case ratings of 150 ft/lb at the crank. Additionally, they aren't cars whose chassis are so well developed that such low numbers to begin with become so glaringly obvious. Complaining about mediocre power or a torque dip isn't any more foolish than complaining about narrow tires or soft spring rates; it's just far more expensive to remedy.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by venturaII

Those more expensive cars also aren't starting with best-case ratings of 150 ft/lb at the crank. Additionally, they aren't cars whose chassis are so well developed that such low numbers to begin with become so glaringly obvious. Complaining about mediocre power or a torque dip isn't any more foolish than complaining about narrow tires or soft spring rates; it's just far more expensive to remedy.

Meh. People knew what they were getting before they bought it. It can be fixed by those that want to spend the money. They just want the "perfect" car for econobox prices and complain when they don't get it.

[why?]

Originally Posted by JesseG

I agree that making your car lighter is always going to help. The FR-S is already pretty darn light, but there are certain areas like the exhaust, and wheels, that can be much lighter when you go aftermarket. Like if you switch to Enkei RPF1’s and a titanium exhaust it will be a noticeable difference. Other than that I think the twins are on the edge of how light can a car be before it becomes unusable for everyday driving. Like a Lotus Elise for example, or the Alfa 4C. Nobody wants to drive those everyday, unless you are a masochist. Lol

For the 9K redline you will need to switch to a Honda F20C

*I should add for this price range. Lighter more exotic materials start costing a lot more.

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My Yaris was about 2000 pounds without the rear interior and it was perfectly fine to drive. It was also shorter than a miata though.

Originally Posted by 86prime

Aftermarket is great... but CARB legal? I know, no one wants to talk about it or even pretend that they care... But remember all the CA people swapping back to stock exhaust for a short time? Oh well.

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carb=terrorism

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Not the lightest but the lightest without excessive noise 10.85lbs!


https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97259

that's one piece. I need to revive Anthony's old thread where he had the weight of all the different pieces. I'm guessing all titanium would be lightest.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by 86prime

Here's a crazy idea. New "exhaust manifold" design from the factory, 50 state legal.

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To solve what? That factory cat is the primary choke point. Plenty of dyno's of punched out stock manifolds that show good improvement. Even after market headers have a high flow cat and will not likely meet EPA or Euro standards. And you can't just lean out the car to reduce CO emission because you start to raise NOx emissions.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 86prime

Here's a crazy idea. New "exhaust manifold" design from the factory, 50 state legal.

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They should design a different car for each market? There are markets that make the California emission requirements look like a stroll through the park.


NEWSFLASH!!!!!!!
The emissions and mileage REQUIREMENTS that come into place over the next few years mean that even the best of the current engines will fail them by 2025. Don't expect them to continue to make the high revving, big HP numbers they have for the last 20 years. They will be gone in most of this forums lifetime.
On the plus side electric cars have gobs of torque so the people that can't merge or pass because of the dip should be happy.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by why?

My Yaris was about 2000 pounds without the rear interior and it was perfectly fine to drive. It was also shorter than a miata though.
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I wish Toyota had brought the Yaris GR here (I think that’s what it is called). What a fun little car that could be! I’m ok with some sacrifices for a lighter car (noisier, fewer features, etc) but I couldn’t drive a Yaris with the interior stripped out.



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[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by JesseG

I wish Toyota had brought the Yaris GR here (I think that’s what it is called).

There is no version of a Yaris that would have held any interest for me whatsoever.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

On the plus side electric cars have gobs of torque so the people that can't merge or pass because of the dip should be happy.

I can count on one hand (well, maybe 2 or 3 fingers from the other hand, too) where I haven't been able to pass someone.

And it's not because it's a fault of the car. It's because someone got their feelings hurt that I wanted to pass them, and they did the classic thing of either speeding up when I pulled out to pass, or closing a gap on the highway. Both are situations where I wouldn't try to pass regardless of the vehicle I was in.

Still not sure why there are so many complaints about the twins being slow, if I'm being honest. Go out to a HPDE, autox, whatever organised event and you'll quickly find out that the car is probably more than you can handle. I know I was humbled very quickly when I turned traction control off on the second run of my second autox event.

Edit: Would I like more power? Of course I would, who wouldn't?