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I'm definitely getting one | 32 | 12.17% | |
I might get one if they offer a MT | 100 | 38.02% | |
No, not me. | 131 | 49.81% | |
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02-14-2020, 11:24 AM | #2017 | ||
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I went back to page 3 and saw the mechanical changes that they made. I sort of see why people might be kind of upset. But then again, in all the history of the world, early adopters are rarely rewarded for their support. This shouldn't be shocking. Even Toyota has said they want the Supra to undergo many evolutions over its life.
And yes, if this means that first year Supra models depreciate faster, I'm all for it because then it might actually be obtainable to someone like me in a few years. |
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Wow! Current Supra owners are really fuming over the 14% power increase, huh? Even despite Tada-san's explicit remarks last summer about improving performance frequently throughout the platform's run. Surprised? I'm not.
You can be in the "I was the first to get the new Supra!" crowd or get the latest and greatest. You can't have it both ways. I'll be happy to take that low-mileage 2020 3.0 off your hands for low $40k's. Lol. I just wished the our twins' platform followed a bit of that recipe: Supra 2020: "It's fast and powerful!" Supra 2021: "How about 47hp more?" BRZ/86 2012: "It needs more power!" BRZ/86 2017: "Here's another 5hp." |
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02-14-2020, 01:10 PM | #2020 |
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LOL so far the petition doesn't look like it will be all that effective.
Evan is so important he get's to sign twice. At least a couple probably don't even own a Supra. And... One guy in Canada seems to be less than sympathetic (it was NOT me).
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There's always hoping for a next-generation Nissan Z. Various stories and rumors speculate that Nissan is working on the car, which would be powered by a 400 hp twin turbo 3.0 liter V6, and be available with a manual transmission. But Nissan is in such a financial mess these days. They are in complete crisis survival mode. It's hard to see how they could come up with the money to develop what will at best be a small-volume niche car at a time when they're making their employees stop traveling and are doing massive layoffs. Oh well. I'm glad I bought my 2019 when I did. Looks like the next generation car won't be offering any dramatic improvements in power. |
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BUT the 4 cylinder supra is so lacking compared to the upper trim I think that will not do well. Smaller brakes, no active dampers, no active diff, 3,181 pounds. I think that even if the new gen twin is like 25-30hp less than the 4 Supra, that weight will make a difference. If the new 86 is a similar weight to the current one then it likely will be around 300lbs lighter than the new 4 supra. I would be interested to see how the new 86 compares to the 4Supra on the track in stock form.
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IMHO Toyota doesn't really care if BMW recoups its costs or not, and in this type of arrangement there is typically not a lot of profit for the company that rebrands another company's product in the low end cars anyway. BMW is not selling this car to Toyota at cost... If the next generation truly is based on Toyota's TNA then they might actually make more money on a highly optioned GR86 than a base Supra. Pure speculation on my part...
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4 cylinder Supra would be tempting if the weight difference was bigger, if it had a manual transmission, and if Toyota wasn't stripping the hell out of it. And for over $40k, not a chance.
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When was the last model of car that NOBODY bought in the first year?
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Fisker comes close...
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Edsel was also close. But still some people bought them when they first came out so they at least tried for a couple of years.
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