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Sad to hear the newer engines still have oiling issues. I suspected the main reason you're primarily seeing 2013's failing was simply due to the age/miles. This time next year we will probably have a weekly thread on spun bearings on a 2014 like we do with the 2013 lately. Spun bearings on a 2013 with 80K miles on a fully stock car and proper oil levels is unreasonable IMO. I don't care how hard it's driven. |
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Well when the 2012s came out the rockers were ejecting immediately. The update has different angles and more. We looked carefully at the parts when they came out but I don't recall all the differences besides the longer stem, different pivot oiling holes, and the ball cup in the actual rocker is different. Unfortunately it's an expensive upgrade to change all the pivots, the rockers, and the valves. It's not something we bother with during our long block builds as it no longer seems to happen with all of our mods.
Many are careful with modding their new car so often you don't see carnage until warranties are expired. LOL! Also customers are content with their cars for a period of time and then they get bored and mod |
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Thicker oil helps but only marginally. Run an oil weight that suits your operating temperature. If you're a street guy running at 200F the stock weight or a little heavier is all you need but if you're a track guy running at 280F you better run as high a viscosity as you can find. There is a double edge sword there however as higher viscosity means more heat so you have to manage that also. I've documented here what oils we run so look back but don't expect but a few psi from oil changes. I will tell you nothing stays in grade like Red Line...nothing!!!! The solution: The dilemma is the cost as we offer a solution and it starts at $5300. Clearly that's too much for the FRS/BRZ community as not everyone is buying our engines. Now a complete bolt on solution I'm sure I could develop for around $5000 but a customer wouldn't have a build motor so you're still going to have to build your motor for 300+ whp. I was trying to develop at $1500 solution but that didn't work out. It's hard for me to revisit this as I don't have an FA20 BRZ/FRS anymore for extended R&D. If I could revisit the bolt on solution for $2k realistically how many of you would really be able to afford/justify this? It would really need a proper dry sump tank that is 8 quarts so it's going to have to be in the car and that's a major drawback for most people. |
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Phil was that the new or old Reimax gears you tested?
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We tested the Reimax 12mm gear and not the 14mm Reimax gear. Remember though we tested the 14mm WRX DIT oil pump. It probably would have been better if Reimax copied the BRZ pump rotor design but I suspect these gears are already made.
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It was a question not an accusation.
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did someone say dry sump for the frs/brz????? where? gimmie gimmie gimmie!!!
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