TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i think the red looks even better when its outdoors with natural light.

I admit, it is a much better looking car in this video than in any of the photos I've seen to date.

[Transport3r]

I’m not a red car person, always had blue cars when I had a color choice, but DAMN that thing looks good in red.

Hoping Neptune is back on the list

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Dude the posts preceding it left little doubt who he was talking to. The passive aggressive schoolboy method of mentioning without actually mentioning is familiar to me. We have a whole thread that is basically that subject.

Oh, I know we have a thread tcoat. I might forgive, but I don't forget.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Oh, I know we have a thread tcoat. I might forgive, but I don't forget.

LOL I don't mean THAT thread. You have since redeemed yourself and no longer seem to be a rabid fanboi. I meant a nice passive aggressive themed one where we satire foolishness (including our own) without directly referencing what we are panning.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by ZDan

FWIW I was no fan of the BRZ's styling when it came out. Fenders too high, mouthguard, awkward-to-me rear wheel placement (too far aft). But when the '17s came out (gen 1.2?), I loved it. Who knows, 2nd gen may yet grow on some of ya, or maybe a 2.2 version in a few years...

Yeah I think I’m in the same boat but with the 2nd gen, don’t love it but....it might grow on me a bit when I see it in person. I had similar feelings about the new Supra when it came out, I wasn’t sure in the photos but once I saw it in person I quite liked it.

For those who don’t like the 2nd gen and prefer the 1st gen. Ask yourself this. How much better does the 1st gen look IRL than in pictures? I sometimes take shots of my car during pit stops on drives and it always looks better IRL than in the photo afterwards and I’m sometimes disappointed, lol. Anyway, can’t wait to see it in person and will make a final judgement then I guess.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I admit, it is a much better looking car in this video than in any of the photos I've seen to date.

i think it will probably look ever better in person.

[beltax90]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i think the red looks even better when its outdoors with natural light.

https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOO...related_videos

i need to wash my car...

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I admit, it is a much better looking car in this video than in any of the photos I've seen to date.

Originally Posted by gymratter

i think it will probably look ever better in person.

Many people are basing their opinions on the limited media that we're being provided with. I'm waiting for a an in-person viewing and test drive before I offer any opinions or purchasing decisions.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i think the red looks even better when its outdoors with natural light.

https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOO...related_videos

Is anyone else showing this as "Video unavailable" when they click the link?

[gymratter]

^it works just fine for me.

on another note im a little surprised at how little official press release photos there are of this car. usually there's like 100+.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by ZDan

The overall shape/proportions are the same. As for styling details, I'd say the 2nd gen's front fenders are more "classic" and neutral, vs. the 1st gen's somewhat gimmicky (as they're totally unnecessary, the fenders are already way above the front tires) fender bumps. 1st gen headlights are styled to look more aggro/angery vs. the simpler/cleaner 2nd gen lights. 1st gen has that giant mouthguard, hardly "classic"! 1st gen has fake vents up front on either side of the grill, kind of "mecha" in styling, vs. 2nd gen's *real* vents, with more organically shaped surrounds (overdone a bit IMO but not that bad). 2nd gen fender vents behind the front wheels are functional and to me are well integrated and not overdone. I hate these on most cars but they don't bother me here. Meanwhile the doodads on the sides of the 1st-gen front fenders, they serve no purpose. The spats in front of the rear wheels are another source of controversy but again, they don't bother me and fill in the (to me) awkward gap between the door and rear wheel opening (very little gap there on a proper 2-seat FR sports car), and again somewhat functional (though I can't imagine they do a whole lot...). I think the front fender vents and the rear spats work well together aesthetically.

Overall, I think both gens look great, not perfect. I give them both a solid 8/10. As far as I'm concerned, better to have some changes rather than just rehash exactly the same thing.

I hate most things, but honestly I find the new design to be cohesive, clean and maybe a bit *less* boy-racerish looking vs. my '17.

FWIW I was no fan of the BRZ's styling when it came out. Fenders too high, mouthguard, awkward-to-me rear wheel placement (too far aft). But when the '17s came out (gen 1.2?), I loved it. Who knows, 2nd gen may yet grow on some of ya, or maybe a 2.2 version in a few years...

Styling is always subjective and something that will look nice to one person, might look different to another person. I have read for example your posts about how the platform would look better if there was a 2 seater version comparing to the 2+2 seater version.

However, there should exist some basic principles independently of personal preferences. For example, a manufacturer shouldn't take the risk to change too much something that was a financial success. The shape/proportions of the new car are the same as you said, but if you take both generations side by side the exterior changes are too many. I believe it would be better if they had changed just the front bumper and maybe going to a bit wider rear fender. Then focus more on the interior, which now looks worse and of a cheaper quality comparing to 1st gen.

About the engine, I believe that it was the most wise decision. However, it is still weird to increase the engine displacement and performance and keep the same tire width front and rear. I would expect to increase the tire width squared or even going to a slight staggered setup, something that was done already 2-3 years ago to the real GR86 version.

Maybe, I am influenced by the German manufacturers who are usually more conservative between model revisions. Or to phrase it better, if they will do changes they will do on things that really matter to a street car and not on things like the fake vs "real" vents.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

About the engine, I believe that it was the most wise decision. However, it is still weird to increase the engine displacement and performance and keep the same tire width front and rear.

The car comes with PS4s now, so that's a 'bigger' tire even if the size is the same.

or even going to a slight staggered setup

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo. Screw staggered setups. Almost every street car with a staggered setup has understeer and snaps back when the rear tires grab again. Every staggered German car I've ever had got square tires after a few months, and all of them were better for it. Better turn-in, more predictable breakaway, better transition back to grip, and overall more grip.

*there are exceptions, like cars with ridiculously rear-biased weight distribution, like a 911.

[mazeroni]

Best angle. I think the press photos make the car look a little stubby, like it has more Scion Tc portions than something that is low slung and rear-drive, which Gen 1 accomplishes better in photos.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL I don't mean THAT thread. You have since redeemed yourself and no longer seem to be a rabid fanboi. I meant a nice passive aggressive themed one where we satire foolishness (including our own) without directly referencing what we are panning.

lol. I've redeemed myself have I.

Its your endless generosity that is so powerful here. Its truly humbling.