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Old 02-13-2020, 04:51 PM   #1
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2021 Toyota Supra 4-Cylinder Details

Toyota 86
Engine: 2.0L
Power: 205 HP / 156 LB-FT
0-60: 6.4 Seconds
Weight: 2,776 Pounds
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual / 6-Speed Auto

Toyota Supra 2.0
Engine: Turbo 2.0L
Power: 255 HP / 295 LB-FT
0-60: 5.0 Seconds
Weight: 3,181 Pounds
Transmission: 8-Speed Auto

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toy...bo-model.3386/

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That would be about right for my needs/desires -


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IMO, this kills any 86/BRZ with more than 215-20 horsepower. They won't bump up the power for the 86 when you can get a 4 cylinder Supra.
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IMO, this kills any 86/BRZ with more than 215-20 horsepower. They won't bump up the power for the 86 when you can get a 4 cylinder Supra.
I could see the next gen come out with an NA 2.4 with 230hp maybe even 240hp. This definitely kills of any notion of a 2.4 turbo though IMO. Not that I thought that was likely. 230 to 240hp would still be less than the base Supra and it would have less torque if it is NA, plus the Supra would likely have a nicer interior etc. But yeah they’re kind cannibalising their own.
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400 more lbs. for 50 more hp. Not sure I'd make that trade.

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its really the extra 140 torque you get from the Supra , over the T86 that matters (not so much HP). Plus an extra 400 lbs in weight ++. Are newer Turbo cars really that maintenance free / low-low maintenance , versus 5+ years ago??!!
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400 more lbs. for 50 more hp. Not sure I'd make that trade.

Also the face only a mother could love. The lack of a manual option is the final nail in the coffin. Pass for me.
What I really want to know, is what they will make with just a tune.
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I wish Toyota canceled 86 and released the new mid-engine MR2 still using FA20. And Subaru would just release new BRZ with a turbo FA20 and upscale interior.
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400 more lbs. for 50 more hp. Not sure I'd make that trade.

Also the face only a mother could love. The lack of a manual option is the final nail in the coffin. Pass for me.


But its 140ft/lbs torque more will more than make up for the weight. Plus being a turbo its only a free boost mod away from more
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I need some of those fake hood vents. They want 80-some grand for those on the one here in Portland.
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But its 140ft/lbs torque more will more than make up for the weight. Plus being a turbo its only a free boost mod away from more
Even assuming generously the 2.0 Supra will make 350 hp tuned at a weight of 3181 lbs and a price of 40k, I feel like that's too much of a premium over a sport package 370z making 332 hp at a weight of 3333 lbs and a price of $34k.

Obviously the 370z will be the inferior car, but the fact that it's a decent match on paper at $6k less and not tuned (and over a decade old) doesn't bode well for the 2.0 Supra. And you can get the 370z with a manual.

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What I really want to know, is what they will make with just a tune.
Yes, the B48 used in the 4 cylinder Zupra is in a very low tune. Same basic engine (with a few re-enforced components) can put out 302HP/225kW and 332 lb-ft/450Nm in the new JCW Minis.

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Even assuming generously the 2.0 Supra will make 350 hp tuned at a weight of 3181 lbs and a price of 40k, I feel like that's too much of a premium over a sport package 370z making 332 hp at a weight of 3333 lbs and a price of $34k.

Obviously the 370z will be the inferior car, but the fact that it's a decent match on paper at $6k less and not tuned (and over a decade old) doesn't bode well for the 2.0 Supra. And you can get the 370z with a manual.

Just my 2c.
But the only reason it is $6K less is because it IS a 10 year old car. If it had anything more than minor upgrades in the time it has existed the price gap would have been closed by now.

Besides every time you walk up to it you have to look at those horrible horrible door handles.
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