Anyone not buying to avoid early issues like 1st gen FRS?

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Where in hell did you come up with that number? That is not even basicly realistic.

I should add that the dealer included the special order code supercharger with mine as well. I was at the eye doctor earlier in the day and he put some funny droplets in my eye. I was winking uncontrollably while placing the order so he went ahead and allowed me to order secret code ZN6HKS.

[weederr33]

I'm not worried about early model issues since it will probably be another year or two before I can make the jump to the new model. It would be longer but I'm done with any sort of changes to my current BRZ lol

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I should add that the dealer included the special order code supercharger with mine as well. I was at the eye doctor earlier in the day and he put some funny droplets in my eye. I was winking uncontrollably while placing the order so he went ahead and allowed me to order secret code ZN6HKS.

[Tcoat]

Every single first model year vehicle my family has ever bought since the early 70s had some sort of issue. Most were relatively minor (the 9 trips to the dealer for HU updates due to it freezing with my wife's 17 Impreza) but some were serious enough (the seized engine two blocks from the dealership on my dad's Jeep Cherokee) that I will shy away if possible.
Now is a sample size of 6 people and may 10 vehicles so indicative of a trend? No, it isn't but it is enough for me on a personal level.
Other experiences will vary.

[StE92ve]

If I like what I see when they finally hit the dealers, wouldn't have a problem placing an order since I would be taking delivery in Spring 2022. By that time, production should have tweaked any early production issues.

[daiheadjai]

I leased my 2013 - it allowed me to have the flexibility to hand it back if it proved problematic, or to buy it back if I wanted to. That said, you do have to pay for that flexibility (in the form of interest). My car was pretty much fine (no taillight issues, only issue was that the passenger-side heated seats didn't really work).

Unfortunately I'm in a situation where I'll need to wait a few years anyways (need my youngest to be able to crawl into the back and into the car seat himself), so it's moot for me - I'll just see if I like the facelift changes more than the savings on the first year cars.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

The only part I would call into question is the engine because it is the most changed. But the Ascent's engine has been problem free, and since that is the starting point, I wouldn't worry.

Hasn't it been confirmed that the FA24D has more in common with the FA20D than it does the FA24F?

[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by ermax

Hasn't it been confirmed that the FA24D has more in common with the FA20D than it does the FA24F?

Yes, the media just jumped on the Ascent engine link because 2.4 L so it must be the same engine.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Transport3r

Yes, the media just jumped on the Ascent engine link because 2.4 L so it must be the same engine.

Its also so they can cry:

"WHY DOES THE FA24 IN THE TWINS HAVE NO TURBO? ITS TURBO'D ON THE ASCENT AND MAKES 260HP!!! TOYOBARU YOU FAILED EVERY SINGLE ENTHUSIASNT IN THE WORLD AND NO ONE WILL BUY THIS CAR CUZ ITS GONNA BE TOO SLOW (a little less too slow than the first gens but still too slow!)"

Also

"THE CAR HAS TO HAVE THE ONE TOUCH 3 BLINK TURN SIGNALS OR ITS A DEAL BREAKER!!!"

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by ermax

Hasn't it been confirmed that the FA24D has more in common with the FA20D than it does the FA24F?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_FA_engine#FA24

"Like the preceding FA20D, the FA24D uses the Toyota D-4S fuel injection system, which combines direct and port injection. It has the same displacement as the FA24F turbocharged engine with an identical 94×86 mm bore and stroke, but the compression level is increased to 12.5:1."

I'm not a tech expert, so anyone please help. They are both classified as "FA24" engines. But I understand that there are differences and it isn't just that they took off the turbo and increased the redline.

But I'm assuming there must be enough of a link to suggest that increasing the displacement won't be an issue because the larger displacement has already been tested on the Ascent and it is reliable. If the Ascent didn't exist and they were increasing the displacement for the first time, I might be more hesitant. Or at least that is what I meant. Not that this is just a non-turbo Ascent motor.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_FA_engine#FA24

"Like the preceding FA20D, the FA24D uses the Toyota D-4S fuel injection system, which combines direct and port injection. It has the same displacement as the FA24F turbocharged engine with an identical 94×86 mm bore and stroke, but the compression level is increased to 12.5:1."

I'm not a tech expert, so anyone please help. They are both classified as "FA24" engines. But I understand that there are differences and it isn't just that they took off the turbo and increased the redline.

But I'm assuming there must be enough of a link to suggest that increasing the displacement won't be an issue because the larger displacement has already been tested on the Ascent and it is reliable. If the Ascent didn't exist and they were increasing the displacement for the first time, I might be more hesitant. Or at least that is what I meant. Not that this is just a non-turbo Ascent motor.

The FA24 designation is just the basic block and displacement.
Same idea (as you touched on) that there was the FA20D and FA20F engines in the FA20 series and they were very different setups.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its also so they can cry:

"WHY DOES THE FA24 IN THE TWINS HAVE NO TURBO? ITS TURBO'D ON THE ASCENT AND MAKES 260HP!!! TOYOBARU YOU FAILED EVERY SINGLE ENTHUSIASNT IN THE WORLD AND NO ONE WILL BUY THIS CAR CUZ ITS GONNA BE TOO SLOW (a little less too slow than the first gens but still too slow!)"

Boy oh boy it's wonderful when people shout this shit. I've seen so many comment that Subaru could 'easily' put the FA20 from the WRX in the twins and that it would hardly cost anything to them. So you know it will happen with this motor too.

[daiheadjai]

IIRC, the Toyota-involved FA20s didn't have the same carbon buildup issues as Subaru's own FA20 used in the WRX (not sure if Subaru is still using direct injection without port injection)

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Every single first model year vehicle my family has ever bought since the early 70s had some sort of issue. Most were relatively minor (the 9 trips to the dealer for HU updates due to it freezing with my wife's 17 Impreza) but some were serious enough (the seized engine two blocks from the dealership on my dad's Jeep Cherokee) that I will shy away if possible.
Now is a sample size of 6 people and may 10 vehicles so indicative of a trend? No, it isn't but it is enough for me on a personal level.
Other experiences will vary.

I would have figured Fords or Chryslers.

I lied, my low serial number April 2012 made FR-S had 2 flaws-

Water drops in taillights, needed a foam gasket but they first swapped the lights then swapped gaskets another time. Oh well. Valentis for 6 years now and good spares are tucked away.

Oil drip from rear passenger side cam plate on to overripe shield of exhaust. Very minor, it makes the vehicle smell like a sportscar lol. I resealed it myself with better sealant for shits and giggles.

What you don't get are the yearly revisions/upgrades. Off the top of my head I missed out on:
- shark fin antenna
-console knee pads
-stitched padded instrument cover
-performance package w/upgraded brakes availability

But I got the CF looking dash facing unique to the first year Toyota products. I really like it better than every other finish since including Alcantara.

On the other hand my car was $26 CDN + frt, taxes at around $31,500 total. Full MSRP as per Scion with no complaint on my end. And I was a repeat customer. That was ideal for a starting point where performance was priority (plus the body kit). I like the manual hvac, no unnecessary bells and whistles.