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Old 12-06-2021, 12:19 PM   #2927
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So did Lewis know it was green flag racing or not? He was either confused, or playing the kind of games he should be penalized for. Looks like Max slowed on the outside of the track, then was trying to figure out where Lewis was for a second, then Lewis got right on his ass for no reason.
Probably. He was playing the don't touch the DRS line first game.

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Bottas driving super slow to game a gap to Ham so they could double stack during the first incident. It bit them in the end anyway as Max was able to swap out tires under red flag conditions but that was not right.
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Old 12-06-2021, 12:30 PM   #2928
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Probably. He was playing the don't touch the DRS line first game.

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Bottas driving super slow to game a gap to Ham so they could double stack during the first incident. It bit them in the end anyway as Max was able to swap out tires under red flag conditions but that was not right.
Or Hamilton taking his sweet time getting to the grid for the first restart.

Or the fact that Max probably shouldn't have even had to give the place back, considering it was his corner. Lewis wouldn't have been able to make that pass in turn 1 without going off track anyway.
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Old 12-06-2021, 12:36 PM   #2929
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They were talking about it.
When the stewards came on radio it sounded like there was no rule against it.
The 10 car gap rule exists for the formation lap, but it seems it does not for restarts.
If that is true that is dumb as hell.
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Old 12-06-2021, 12:43 PM   #2930
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Or the fact that Max probably shouldn't have even had to give the place back, considering it was his corner. Lewis wouldn't have been able to make that pass in turn 1 without going off track anyway.
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Mercedes got away with so much with weekend. It's crazy!

First there is the double Yellow flag penalty for Lewis that turned out to be a fine to the team? Same infraction by Max saw a grid penalty

Then the race, Bottas clearly slowing the pack down to let Max sit at the front with hard tires. No call

The slowing down of Max to give up 1st place. Lets be honest here. Lewis didnt want to take the position back before the DRS detection zone and Max was giving the position as instructed by race control. So what if it's before a DRS zone HE WAS GIVING THE POSTION BACK. So because Lewis decided to pick and choose when he overtakes and his team failed to message him. Even with a confirmation message they notified the team. Max gets the penalty?? Its Mercedes/Lewis at fault here.

Then Max gets a penalty for not giving up the place despite trying.

Note: I'm not a Lewis or Max fanboy just love watching fair racing. I am open to both winning but cmon. Its like Mercedes cant do anything wrong in the eyes of the stewards or race control.
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Old 12-06-2021, 01:09 PM   #2932
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Mercedes got away with so much with weekend. It's crazy!

First there is the double Yellow flag penalty for Lewis that turned out to be a fine to the team? Same infraction by Max saw a grid penalty

Then the race, Bottas clearly slowing the pack down to let Max sit at the front with hard tires. No call

The slowing down of Max to give up 1st place. Lets be honest here. Lewis didnt want to take the position back before the DRS detection zone and Max was giving the position as instructed by race control. So what if it's before a DRS zone HE WAS GIVING THE POSTION BACK. So because Lewis decided to pick and choose when he overtakes and his team failed to message him. Even with a confirmation message they notified the team. Max gets the penalty?? Its Mercedes/Lewis at fault here.

Then Max gets a penalty for not giving up the place despite trying.

Note: I'm not a Lewis or Max fanboy just love watching fair racing. I am open to both winning but cmon. Its like Mercedes cant do anything wrong in the eyes of the stewards or race control.
Wasn't the same.

At Qatar the signboard and light on Max's wheel were not lit, but a course marshal was waving double yellows and it can be clearly seen from his onboard. There was a green light signboard in the pit lane, but it was for the weighbridge.


For Jeddah FIA released the following.

“The Race Director reported to the Stewards that the double yellow flag warning on the FIA Marshalling System was activated at Light Panel Number 6 accidentally, for less than 1 second. As the on-board video of Car 44 (to be released by the Commercial Rights Holder following this Decision) clearly shows, there was no yellow flag displayed, no yellow lights were displayed to that driver and the yellow warning light was not visible on the driver’s steering wheel.

“Unlike other incidents this year, there was no yellow flag or yellow light displayed to the driver (the driver already being well into the marshalling sector when the system was briefly activated) hence no breach of the regulations has occurred.”
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They were talking about it.
When the stewards came on radio it sounded like there was no rule against it.
The 10 car gap rule exists for the formation lap, but it seems it does not for restarts.
If that is true that is dumb as hell.
Yeah, you are right. I wasn't thinking the VSC rule and having to follow the delta.
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They were talking about it.
When the stewards came on radio it sounded like there was no rule against it.
The 10 car gap rule exists for the formation lap, but it seems it does not for restarts.
If that is true that is dumb as hell.
I did hear them say that wasn't a rule, it's just another example of the dirty games Mercedes and Hamilton play. They just happen to get away with it to the detriment of people who want to watch an actual race.
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Wasn't the same.

At Qatar the signboard and light on Max's wheel were not lit, but a course marshal was waving double yellows and it can be clearly seen from his onboard. There was a green light signboard in the pit lane, but it was for the weighbridge.


For Jeddah FIA released the following.

“The Race Director reported to the Stewards that the double yellow flag warning on the FIA Marshalling System was activated at Light Panel Number 6 accidentally, for less than 1 second. As the on-board video of Car 44 (to be released by the Commercial Rights Holder following this Decision) clearly shows, there was no yellow flag displayed, no yellow lights were displayed to that driver and the yellow warning light was not visible on the driver’s steering wheel.

“Unlike other incidents this year, there was no yellow flag or yellow light displayed to the driver (the driver already being well into the marshalling sector when the system was briefly activated) hence no breach of the regulations has occurred.”
So the flag is a sure sign that the caution is valid, but not the lights? Why bother having the lights at all then if drivers can't trust them? That's a bad system if none of these things are actually synchronized.
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So the flag is a sure sign that the caution is valid, but not the lights? Why bother having the lights at all then if drivers can't trust them? That's a bad system if none of these things are actually synchronized.
My understanding is that the flags are a fail safe.
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My understanding is that the flags are a fail safe.
So

Lights + flag = caution

Flag only = caution

Lights only = caution
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They should never race in Jedah ever again. Track is a death trap waiting to happen, and the two title protagonists need to clean up their act for the final race. I really hope there will be no controversy in Abu Dhabi.
I'll say! Just ask Jamal Khashoggi!
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So

Lights + flag = caution

Flag only = caution

Lights only = caution
Don't forget the steering wheel.
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