(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

As for the benefits of touchscreens, they are actually relatively cheap, less prone to vibrational/use failure (solid state), and enable the controls to be completely reconfigured. This last bit means redundancy. ANY single touch screen can have ALL the controls routed to it. One goes out, go to the next one. If you pack 3 touchscreens, you are actually triple redundant, which is hard to do with hardware swithces. Plus, you can easily update/reconfigure the entirety of the controls using software, which is generally more expedient and user friendly.

That was pretty much what I was going to say, good summary. I will add, that it would be very possible to make these easily replaceable while in space and to carry a spare or two onboard, although not sure they would do that given every gram is precious.

This is very common in aviation applications now, replacing an instrument panel full of dials and switches with a couple of large touchscreens. That does add it's own complexity though, since there is no standardization on how the systems work. 15 years ago, a pilot could get in just about any general aviation plane, be instantly familiar with the cockpit and move on.

These days, if the glass cockpit isn't the one you're used to, there is much more of a learning curve.

[AnalogMan]

LOL! Thanks! Yes indeed, my username is very indicative of my personality and preferences (ironically, I worked in cutting-edge biotechnology my entire career, and happily embrace 'new' and 'technology' - when there's actually a useful purpose for it, and not just for the sake of being 'new').

I appreciate all of your comments and perspectives. But...

"... basically flies and operates itself..."

Everything works until it doesn't. A lot of things are great when everything is working perfectly, but sometimes not so much in a worst case scenario. Even though 1960's technology was primitive by today's standards, much was nonetheless 'automated' (to the extent possible) in the Apollo program. I hate to think about the outcome of an Apollo 13 type accident in a Dragon, especially if it happened 180,000 miles out and not low Earth orbit.

'Modern' cars are certainly much more reliable than 'old' ones. But I still miss carrying a basic toolset in the trunk, and being able to fix on the side of the road a lot of things that might break in the 1960's cars I used to drive (back when they were daily drivers, before they became 6-figure 'collector's items').

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That was pretty much what I was going to say, good summary. I will add, that it would be very possible to make these easily replaceable while in space and to carry a spare or two onboard, although not sure they would do that given every gram is precious.

This is very common in aviation applications now, replacing an instrument panel full of dials and switches with a couple of large touchscreens. That does add it's own complexity though, since there is no standardization on how the systems work. 15 years ago, a pilot could get in just about any general aviation plane, be instantly familiar with the cockpit and move on.

These days, if the glass cockpit isn't the one you're used to, there is much more of a learning curve.

I don't know about General Aviation, but the military glass cockpits that I have seen have a myriad of buttons as well as screen navigation through their control sticks as well.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

Somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dragon's touch screens are the same ones used in Tesla cars. I know Musk is big on branding, but really?

Slow morning at work, so I'll take this even further astray...

I can practically guarantee these are not the same display units, since I would be horrified if it were even the same display technology...

The displays used in cars are LCDs, which literally stands for Liquid Crystal Display, and they do not function well in harsh environments (e.g. temperature extremes). It can get mighty cold in space...

My bet is on OLED - but I am a total armchair "rocket scientist"

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Slow morning at work, so I'll take this even further astray...

I can practically guarantee these are not the same display units, since I would be horrified if it were even the same display technology...

The displays used in cars are LCDs, which literally stands for Liquid Crystal Display, and they do not function well in harsh environments (e.g. temperature extremes). It can get mighty cold in space...

My bet is on OLED - but I am a total armchair "rocket scientist"

LOL, sorry about that! I should have noted my comment as 'sarcasm'! I would hope there are enough bona fide rocket scientists at SpaceX who would make sure a car touchscreen display would never even be remotely considered for a space capsule!

[Opie]

2021 Crosstrek has not been delayed...

https://www.subaru.com/2021-crosstre...H-H8MwX99dovoE

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Opie

2021 Crosstrek has not been delayed...

Think this will come back to bite them if they release the MK2 BRZ/86 and it doesn't have at least 50 extra horsepower?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Most powerful crosstrek ever. That means it could have as little as a 1HP bump. /s

But really nobody is promising 50hp here. We’re likely looking at 30hp bump to ~18X hp considering it’s probably the 2.5.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Opie

2021 Crosstrek has not been delayed...

https://www.subaru.com/2021-crosstre...H-H8MwX99dovoE

Is their second best seller. They aren't going to hold that back.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

But really nobody is promising 50hp here. We’re likely looking at 30hp bump to ~18X hp considering it’s probably the 2.5.

I used 50 because I don't think you'll really notice it much under that. Go big or go home.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Think this will come back to bite them if they release the MK2 BRZ/86 and it doesn't have at least 50 extra horsepower?

That's not a very high bar...

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by drew_kar

Found a picture of the interior from the supramkv forums.

I can't find the original MKV Supra post now, but an earlier iteration of this design was posted like a year ago.



Supposedly, Toyota was showing the car to select people, which served as a basis for the yellow render. Although, someone else on the forum called it wrong, suggesting the front bumper and lights were "different."

As for the red render, maybe they saw this camo car and updated the render to match. Looking at the lower bump, the red car and the camo car are closer, but the camo car still has a lot of the current 86 in it.



Still could all be BS.

[Tcoat]

Well we know that it did not debut at the Toyota Motor Show and the first half of 2021 is almost over so how credible is the rest of their "info"?

[Opie]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well we know that it did not debut at the Toyota Motor Show and the first half of 2021 is almost over so how credible is the rest of their "info"?

Wait...the first half of 2021 is already over??? Who's president? How many died of Covid? Was the season finale of the Walking Dead any good? What happened that I missed all of this???