Video: Toyota GR86 SPIED for the First Time!

[why?]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Fair enough I suppose. I forgot the impreza was even still a thing.

Toyobaru might as well pack it in then. A $30k car can barely edge out a twenty five thousand dollar car in driving/handling while still getting annihilated in the HP dept. If it's going to cost 40k to be competitive with ford in the market segment they might as well go home.

Have you driven them back to back? The BRZ drives so much better than the WRX that anyone who thinks handling is more important than power chooses the BRZ over the WRX. Just look around, many people here test drove both and chose the BRZ. The BRZ makes the WRX feel like a pickup truck.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Finally put the third brake light in the right place. Took them long enough.

I kinda like the low 3rd light (just because it's different not because it is practical)

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[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well I probably exaggerated with "decades" but they have had little in common for a couple of gens now.



The new global platform will be used for everything so even when the WRX switches over it will still not be an Impreza any more than it is an Outlander or even Ascent. My wife had one of the first Imprzeas on the new platform and I have really high hopes for the WRX/STi!

Would you change your GT86 for the new WRX/STI?

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Would you change your GT86 for the new WRX/STI?

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Too early to say. The new STI could be a real turd or something else that interests me could show up in the mean time. At this point my Hakone is my 5 year plan no matter what comes out. I no longer pile on the miles that take such a toll on my cars so I don't have to plan on 3 year flips like I did for the last 5 cars prior to the FRS.
The beauty of a 5 year plan is that I can truly evaluate what comes out in the next couple of years and totally avoid the first model year or two of the new STI if that is the way I decide to go.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by why?

Have you driven them back to back? The BRZ drives so much better than the WRX that anyone who thinks handling is more important than power chooses the BRZ over the WRX. Just look around, many people here test drove both and chose the BRZ. The BRZ makes the WRX feel like a pickup truck.

This ^.
Two radically different cars for radically different wants/needs.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Subaru says this, and - at face value - they’re right. But look beneath the sheet metal and the amount of components they still share is still substantially high lol

But so do the Crosstrek, Legacy, and even up into the Outlander and Forester. Subaru loves their parts bin designs.
Much of the design and many of the systems (i.e steering directly transferred over) of the new Impreza is based on the developments made for the 86/BRZ so is it safe to say that the newest Impreza is just an upsized BRZ?

[HuntingtonFRS]

Does anyone else think the rear end looks like a Hyundai Genesis?


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[ROFL it's Waffle]

Originally Posted by why?

Have you driven them back to back? The BRZ drives so much better than the WRX that anyone who thinks handling is more important than power chooses the BRZ over the WRX. Just look around, many people here test drove both and chose the BRZ. The BRZ makes the WRX feel like a pickup truck.

I can absolutely vouch for this. My WRX was up on power, tuned, better tires, etc. The moment I went for a test drive in an 86 (stock), I couldn't help but smile the whole time. The 86 stimulated different emotions, but all related to fun driving sensations, with a major emphasis on "my passion is driving, here's why." And that's a big reason I'm selling my supercharged S2K (but more because it doesn't have a backseat lol).

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by gymratter

what if the current 2.0 will continue on? a bunch of people have mention that a 2.4 liter would be a death sentence for the 86 in markets that have engine displacement taxes such as Europe.

They could pull a Mazda and have the smaller motor still around for more displacement restrictive markets. The ND has a 1.5L option in addition to the 2.0L.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by HuntingtonFRS

Does anyone else think the rear end looks like a Hyundai Genesis?


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I can see the resemblance, but it is much sharper and tighter than the genesis. It helps that the rear end was the best part of the genesis’ design.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I kinda like the low 3rd light (just because it's different not because it is practical)

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3rd brake light needs to be above the brake lights in the main tail lights.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

3rd brake light needs to be above the brake lights in the main tail lights.

Needs?

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[gravitylover]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Economy of scale is real and measurable.
I can sell you two hundred rotors at $500 each or two million of the exact same thing for $5 each. The more of something that is made the cheaper it can be done for.

Sort of.

It seems to me that the 2.4 having beefier internals could have more than 217hp NA with a few tweaks. I think the turbo isn't there so much to add hp but to boost efficiency in their bigger and heavier models but in the much lighter and more aerodynamic 86 platform the efficiency would already be there so boosting the power without a turbo shouldn't be much of a stretch at all. In fact, more power and a better torque curve should actually make it even that much more efficient almost negating the fleet fuel economy requirements hit that you'd think it will see.

FWIW if I got one it would be with the auto, it's already the easiest car to drive that I've ever owned and an auto would make it more pleasant in a bunch of ways that my "old" self will appreciate. It would also allow my kids to drive it whereas with the stick they can't because they're so short they can't put the clutch all the way in without being jammed into the steering wheel. I wonder if this kind of thing is a factor they'd consider when deciding which transmissions to offer. Is the market for the car aging or staying (mostly) younger and has the car gone mainstream enough to consider a wider user base...

[ROFL it's Waffle]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

They could pull a Mazda and have the smaller motor still around for more displacement restrictive markets. The ND has a 1.5L option in addition to the 2.0L.

Yeah, but they (now all automakers) usually add a small turbo when they scale down the engine size to brag "equivalent power to a 2.0L, but more efficient."