Toyota 86 14R60 unveiled

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by fatoni

That original race concept is not likely faster than the italia on a real race track but it's probably more expensive. Besides, that car has little to do with the car this thread is about. It probably has more aero drag than a regular frs too.

Tsukuba is a real race track. It was faster there. It's a really tight, technical track, but that still qualifies as a real track.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Tsukuba is a real race track. It was faster there. It's a really tight, technical track, but that still qualifies as a real track.

In just saying it's not a great test of a cars track capabilities. Either way, it's not the car this thread is about

[JiroZero713]

Kinda Gimick looking.

What is the benefit of a centerline exhaust? Seems like it would be cheaper to have standard exhaust and design the diffuser around that.

[Quentin]

This thread makes me want to quit coming to this place. Jesus fucking christ, people. This car isn't showing up at your local Scion dealership for you to test drive and scoff at the [currency converted and thus inaccurate for US market] $57k MSRP.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by fatoni

In just saying it's not a great test of a cars track capabilities. Either way, it's not the car this thread is about

True, it's not the same car, but many would argue that tight, technical tracks like Tsukuba are more challenging than something like the Nurburgring, which favors cars that are faster in a straight line and don't necessarily handle better (not as agile). There's a reason why it's one of the most famous and popular tracks in the world for time attack racing.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

True, it's not the same car, but many would argue that tight, technical tracks like Tsukuba are more challenging than something like the Nurburgring, which favors cars that are faster in a straight line and don't necessarily handle better (not as agile). There's a reason why it's one of the most famous and popular tracks in the world for time attack racing.

I think you're in the minority in saying Tsukuba is more challenging than the ring. You don't need power at Tsukuba but you do need handling at nurburg.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I think you're in the minority in saying Tsukuba is more challenging than the ring. You don't need power at Tsukuba but you do need handling at nurburg.

I don't agree with him, but I don't totally agree with you.

Yes, you're right that Tsukuba don't need hp to run fast... but when you DO have car that have power, it's ridiculous. My uncle & his team/shop used to run Tsukuba often (R32) and he always said that "It's easy to race with stock R32, but it's so hard in highly modded GTR in the track." & by anyways, he's beginner at this Tsukuba. He have done several endurance race and hot laps at Tsukuba & several other tracks in Japan.

I, myself have never raced in Tsukuba nor Nurburgring to say which is harder, but I do believe both of em are hard in their own way.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I don't agree with him, but I don't totally agree with you.

Yes, you're right that Tsukuba don't need hp to run fast... but when you DO have car that have power, it's ridiculous. My uncle & his team/shop used to run Tsukuba often (R32) and he always said that "It's easy to race with stock R32, but it's so hard in highly modded GTR in the track." & by anyways, he's beginner at this Tsukuba. He have done several endurance race and hot laps at Tsukuba & several other tracks in Japan.

I, myself have never raced in Tsukuba nor Nurburgring to say which is harder, but I do believe both of em are hard in their own way.

I think the issue here is that everything is tough because you are competing with people under the same conditions. When I say a track is tough, you see less consistency. Either way, my point was only that the Griffin car isn't the better performer

[campy]

Toyota engineer 1: Hey Bill, I finally finished up the rear facia on the new 86.
Toyota engineer 2: Looks good, but what about the reverse light?
Toyota engineer 1: Oh shit I totally forgot.....
Toyota engineer 2: Eh just slap it wherever.

[DRACHENV6]

Toyota, you insult me.

[bunny86]

Originally Posted by campy

Toyota engineer 1: Hey Bill, I finally finished up the rear facia on the new 86.
Toyota engineer 2: Looks good, but what about the reverse light?
Toyota engineer 1: Oh shit I totally forgot.....
Toyota engineer 2: Eh just slap it wherever.

It's just there, in the bumper.

[troek]

He was making a joke that it seems to have been an afterthought.

[bunny86]

Originally Posted by troek

He was making a joke that it seems to have been an afterthought.

I know

I wonder what they will do if they decide to market these parts as standalone items. I do believe that you don't need a rear foglight in Japan but they are required by law in other parts of the world (certainly here in the UK).

[troek]

yeah, no rear fog light needed here. im checking soon to see if these parts are available separately.