2022 Toyota 86 (Click-bait articles)

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I seem to recall the last project Tada san worked on was the Sienna. And before that the Camry? As far as i remember, he didnt actually work on any sports cars until the 86....

This too

[Lantanafrs2]

Would Subaru be involved with an electric Toyota? My humble opinion is that there will be no next generation 86. I dont see a reason for it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Would Subaru be involved with an electric Toyota? My humble opinion is that there will be no next generation 86. I dont see a reason for it.

Haven't we been through this before? Toyota made an official press release that they would be working with Subaru to build a new Gen. In that very same release they also said they would be teaming up to make new EVs. There is no grey area in those statements.

Toyota and Subaru Agree on New Business and Capital Alliance
Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership.

Ever since concluding an agreement on business collaboration in 2005, partnership between Toyota and Subaru has included contract production by Subaru of Toyota vehicles and supply by Toyota of vehicles to Subaru, as well as joint development of the rear-wheel-drive Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ sports car models.

Also, with vast changes enveloping the automotive industry, which is being called on to respond to the new domains of CASE (connected, autonomous/automated, shared, and electric), Toyota and Subaru disclosed in June this year that they have agreed to jointly develop a platform dedicated to battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and to jointly develop a BEV model, both of which will employ Subaru's AWD technologies and Toyota's vehicle electrification technologies.

In this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation, by strengthening their bonds and aligning their capabilities, Toyota and Subaru aim to pursue driving enjoyment in the CASE era and to make ever-better cars beyond what either company has been able to achieve thus far. Furthermore, to deepen their relationship and to strengthen their ties toward advancing to the next stage while respecting the identity of each other's brand, the two companies have agreed that Toyota will increase its equity stake in Subaru and that Subaru will acquire shares in Toyota.

Details of business activities in the new alliance
In pursuit of making ever-better cars beyond that achieved thus far by Toyota and Subaru
Bringing together both companies' strengths to jointly develop all-wheel-drive models that offer the ultimate sensation in all-wheel driving
Joint development of the next-generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ
Expansion of the scope of partnership to survive this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation
Following the Crosstrek Hybrid*, expanding use of the Toyota Hybrid System in other Subaru models
Cooperation in the domain of connected vehicles and technical collaboration in the field of autonomous driving

[Broseph]

I hope this mean FA24DIT!

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Broseph

I hope this mean FA24DIT!

It doesn’t. That won’t happen.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It doesn’t. That won’t happen.

He really just does not understand this.

[Broseph]

I guess we’ll find out, but I gotta have hope!

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Broseph

I guess we’ll find out, but I gotta have hope!

I hear the new Civic SI is supposed to be pretty good

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by Broseph

I guess we’ll find out, but I gotta have hope!

A turbo 86 will definitely cut into sales of the 4-cyl Supra. It's highly unlikely Toyota will let that happen.


With that being said, I wouldn't say a turbo 86 will never happen, because there have been surprises before. I wouldn't hold my breath though... there is like a 1% chance of a turbo 86 in the future, maybe a little higher for the BRZ.

[Lantanafrs2]

So, would Toyota and Subaru use the brz/86 as a platform for which to introduce a hybrid/electric sportscar? Didn't we see a rendering of this a while back from gazoo?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

So, would Toyota and Subaru use the brz/86 as a platform for which to introduce a hybrid/electric sportscar? Didn't we see a rendering of this a while back from gazoo?

It really isn’t that hard to imagine. In general, it is surprising more sports cars haven’t adopted a similar strategy, especially in light of the emergence of hybrid supercars like the holy trinity or Acura NSX. You would have expected some trickle down by now. The Honda CRZ Hybrid might have just been ahead of its time by a decade and not designed quite enough for performance.

They could either do it as a single model or as two models with the hybrid being more expensive and the better performance model like they are already doing with the Rav4. The hybrid powertrain could fill in torque. Imagine say 30-50 extra horsepower and instant torque with no dip in the power curve all while getting better weight distribution and increased gas mileage for a modest weight penalty. I’m not saying it is better than getting a turbo, but it might be more realistic. I doubt it would happen because I think they will stick with the boxer motor, but a 1.5T hybrid could be sweet.

Yes, we did see an ugly concept.

[serialk11r]

The CRZ was just a cam change away from being a much more impressive car. The strength of mild hybrid assist is that you can toss any low end torque requirement out the window. They could've boosted the gas engine's power to 135hp easy, giving close to 150 total, making it about as fast as an NC1 Miata.

That's the strategy employed by the Porsche 918, that engine makes all its power up high, and has piss poor VE at low rpm, which doesn't matter since the electric motor more than compensates.

On the 86, the packaging is a little tricky for mild hybrid. Belted alternator starter would work, but it has very limited power handling capacity. Another idea is to put a constantly engaged bigger motor where the starter is, and seal off the clutch/flywheel converting it to a wet clutch sharing lubrication with the gear reduction to the electric motor. That sounds too expensive...

I would love a mild hybrid sports car. With lithium ion batteries, you can achieve similar total system mass as a normal car. You trade the mass of a lead acid battery and starter motor for a bigger lithium ion pack + 12V converter + motor controller, and the alternator weighs about the same as a permanent magnet motor-generator. Then you can tune a simpler engine for max peak power instead of trying to find low end torque with heavy gadgets like VTEC, dual stage intake manifolds, long tube headers, etc.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

The CRZ was

I just call it the CR-Y. As in, everyone CR-Y's when they see what they did the the physical recreation of the CRX.


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[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

The CRZ was just a cam change away from being a much more impressive car. The strength of mild hybrid assist is that you can toss any low end torque requirement out the window. They could've boosted the gas engine's power to 135hp easy, giving close to 150 total, making it about as fast as an NC1 Miata.

That's the strategy employed by the Porsche 918, that engine makes all its power up high, and has piss poor VE at low rpm, which doesn't matter since the electric motor more than compensates.

On the 86, the packaging is a little tricky for mild hybrid. Belted alternator starter would work, but it has very limited power handling capacity. Another idea is to put a constantly engaged bigger motor where the starter is, and seal off the clutch/flywheel converting it to a wet clutch sharing lubrication with the gear reduction to the electric motor. That sounds too expensive...

I would love a mild hybrid sports car. With lithium ion batteries, you can achieve similar total system mass as a normal car. You trade the mass of a lead acid battery and starter motor for a bigger lithium ion pack + 12V converter + motor controller, and the alternator weighs about the same as a permanent magnet motor-generator. Then you can tune a simpler engine for max peak power instead of trying to find low end torque with heavy gadgets like VTEC, dual stage intake manifolds, long tube headers, etc.

Subaru's hybrid tech puts the motor in the transmission, that might be the way to do it on an 86: