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10-05-2017, 01:23 PM | #1919 |
The correct term is "flappy paddle transmission."
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For more, see a Venn diagram. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram I'm curious how you would operate a Formula One or other race type of DCT in auto mode since they don't have it. https://www.formula1.com/en/champion...--gearbox.html "Formula One cars use highly sophisticated semi-automatic, seamless shift gearboxes......But despite such high levels of technology, fully automatic transmission systems, and gearbox-related wizardry such as launch control, are illegal - a measure designed to keep costs down and place more emphasis on driver skill." Can you find me a torque converter hydramatic/automatic transmission that was only designed to be operated manually? If you still find this confusing, see above. Btw, what kind of semi auto washing machines are you folks using in the outback these days? Is this a result of the Coriolis effect or high ABV? Last edited by abraxis; 10-05-2017 at 06:51 PM. |
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10-06-2017, 04:00 AM | #1922 | |
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A manual transmission requires the driver to disengage the engine from the transmission using a clutch pedal and requires the driver to move a linkage to slide a gear out of position and a new gear into synchronization with the drive assembly. This process is fundamentally basic in architecture, yet it requires the maximum in both effort and skill to perform. Every deviation from this architecture that complexes this system, while reducing the effort and skill necessary to perform said operations is an automatic or semi-automatic transmission. I have driven a Ferrari F430 with a DCT. Some things to note: the car will go to redline and not shift, if the driver doesn't hit the 'gear selector'; with that said, the transmission selects the gear more often than the driver. What do I mean? If the driver has the car in neutral and selects first gear then the driver put it in gear, but not physically, right? The paddle didn't move a linkage like with a stick shifter; a computer servo thingy moved the linkage, and it gets worse. Once in first gear the computer puts the transmission in standby mode for second gear. Yes, the computer already has engaged second gear before the driver. By upshifting with the flappy paddle, the driver hasn't actually selected a gear; the driver has asked the computer to disengage the odd, geared clutch and shaft, and now to engage the even, geared clutch and shaft. Hmmmmm, this really isn't manual driving at all, is it? Ahhh, but I can see the argument circling back around to the fact that if the driver doesn't hit that flappy paddle then the car will redline to destruction. Well, to that argument I reply with the fact that all the engineers would have to do to turn a DCT that doesn't shift into a full automatic that shifts without the driver's input is to write some code for the computer to automatically shift, since everything is in place for the transmission to operate independent of the driver. |
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In the engineering world clutch pedal transmissions, SMTs and DCTs share a common family heritage and design language that is completely unlike automatic transmissions such as hydramatics that use planetary gear sets and torque converters, or even more recent CVTs. The first three were designed WITH the intent of the driver manually selecting gears; convenience features added later. The latter two designed to operate precisely WITHOUT driver input for the sake of either convenience or optimum efficiency and mileage. Think of a biological tree where automatics branches off from the stick shift and form two distinct species yet both continue to evolve independent of each other into more modern forms. Hopefully this helps prevent that next awkward moment when someone has trouble explaining to their family or friends how a transmission that can't actually select its own gears is being referred to as 'automatic'. Don't be that guy! Your LSAT scores will thank you later. ...and yes, subjective opinion is one thing, objective fact and deductive logic are something else entirely. This deviation is very often the source of much wasted time and space on forums. People often confuse their right to an opinion with actually being right in their opinion. |
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10-07-2017, 12:22 PM | #1924 | |
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If someone put an actuator on the clutch pedal and linked it to a button, and some contraption on the stick, so that paddle shifters initiated actuators that moved the stick into different gears, then it would be an automated manual transmission, or simply an automatic transmission for many people. You may not like that many people define a manual transmission by the history of transmissions, but they do. You may not like that many define a manual transmission by the fact that it requires the driver to move a mechanical lever to directly disengage the clutch then to move another mechanical lever to directly engage a gear, but they do. Also, if your buddies ask you if you bought the manual or automatic Evo X then I hope you wouldn't tell them the Evo only came as a manual. If you do then don't be surprised if they give you a look. |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/mazda...instead-2011-8 Getting back to the Supra, I can imagine them making a traditional auto and a DCT. I think it is silly, as do many others, because we know many DCT's can work in full auto mode, just like many traditional transmissions offer paddle shifters like in the 86. Luxury brands seem to be going away from manual transmissions completely, offering it very rarely. Lexus is part of this trend, but this being a Toyota, I would be utterly shocked if it wasn't offered with a stick. |
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US spec Z4 and Supra will have 385hp from BMW's B58
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From the original: "The top model of the upcoming BMW Z4 lineup might be offered in two configurations" "at this time, we can’t state with certitude that the Z4 M40i will be offered with two different power options" "But if we were to bet on something"
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Just fun how it went from pure (stated) speculation to "Bimmerpost members said the above is true and the US will only receive the more powerful version of the B58" and "US spec Z4 and Supra will have 385hp from BMW's B58" in just two forums. By the time it makes it through a couple more it will be recorded as an official statement from God.
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