The Drive article on Q1 2022 GR86 Sales

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

It’s all a bit depressing really. I guess choose wisely for your last ICE car, 15 to 20 years from now, it’ll likely be a hobby/enthusiast vehicle.

Well the good news is that it won't be tomorrow and I will be dead well before it becomes an issue.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

They’ll still need oil for aviation and shipping though, unless they start using synthetic fuel. Surely that would still be a large volume of oil needed.

There is work being done to create both electric and hydrogen based aircraft. Hydrogen makes the most sense to me, since you can turn around the plane about as quickly as with Jet A. Batteries in a plane (regardless of size of the plane) makes no sense to me, way too much weight to fly and in aviation every ounce counts against profit.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well the good news is that it won't be tomorrow and I will be dead well before it becomes an issue.

Yea I'm torn with this one myself. Approaching retirement I figure I have one, maybe two, car purchase cycles left in me.

There are some EVs that really interest me (Lyriq, IONIC 5, Silverado EV), but I can't quite let go of ICE for the convenience, and we do plan to road trip a good bit in retirement.

Having just flipped 200K in the 86, and with retirement 2 to 3 years away, I really would like to buy the next car now, but I can't decide what route I want to go, and heaven knows this isn't the right time to be doing it!

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea I'm torn with this one myself. Approaching retirement I figure I have one, maybe two, car purchase cycles left in me.

There are some EVs that really interest me (Lyriq, IONIC 5, Silverado EV), but I can't quite let go of ICE for the convenience, and we do plan to road trip a good bit in retirement.

Having just flipped 200K in the 86, and with retirement 2 to 3 years away, I really would like to buy the next car now, but I can't decide what route I want to go, and heaven knows this isn't the right time to be doing it!

Go the ICE, EVs aren’t going anywhere and the technology will only get better down the track. Make sure it’s a good one, you won’t regret it.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

It’s all a bit depressing really. I guess choose wisely for your last ICE car, 15 to 20 years from now, it’ll likely be a hobby/enthusiast vehicle.

Can the twins last 15-20 years?
I was hoping to get a V8 car as my last ICE but at the rate things are going the 86 could possibly be my last ICE.....

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Can the twins last 15-20 years?
I was hoping to get a V8 car as my last ICE but at the rate things are going the 86 could possibly be my last ICE.....

Wait until around 2029/2030, there will likely be a face-lifted 2nd gen version with all the goodies by then, Ts version etc. That’s what I might end up doing or keep my current gen and get something else. I’d find it hard to part with, but it might be tired and old by then. First world choices….

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Can the twins last 15-20 years?,,,.

Don't see why not. There are a lot of folks on here that will be celebrating 10 years this year. Picked mine up on 05/11/2012 with 7 miles, now has 200K+ miles on it and still going strong.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Wait until around 2029/2030, there will likely be a face-lifted 2nd gen version with all the goodies by then, Ts version etc. That’s what I might end up doing or keep my current gen and get something else. I’d find it hard to part with, but it might be tired and old by then. First world choices….

Im hoping in that timeframe some better/nicer EV's are out and not the same old same old SUV/crossover (which to get a decent one you have to spend luxury car money) or stupid fast 6 figure car...

Plus my biggest gripe is actually all the convenience you have to give up in order to currently live with an ICE....trip planning due to charging stations being in crap places or not in areas where you'd want it to be, long charge times, a million apps because each charging company needs to do its own thing.....Aint nobody got time for that....a million apps are needed because you cant pay at the station....and seemingly half the existing charging stations out there just never work.

The infrastructure here sucks ass so hopefully that's at a decent level by then as well.....
Plus cars with decent winter range...i get about 500kms give or take here little more in summer, little less in winter depending on how a drive...would like the EV to be roughly the same...except it only seems like Tesla meets or exceeds that criteria...and i dont want a Tesla.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

...Plus my biggest gripe is actually all the convenience you have to give up in order to currently live with an ICE....trip planning due to charging stations ...

Plus cars with decent winter range...i get about 500kms give or take here little more in summer, little less in winter depending on how a drive...would like the EV to be roughly the same...except it only seems like Tesla meets or exceeds that criteria...and i dont want a Tesla.

There are EVs now that get around 500km/300mile range. The Mach E and the Ioniq 5 come to mind off the top of my head.

The 2023 model year may be the beginning of the tipping point on range. There are going to be some 50 models available and many of them will be the range you are looking for. In some form or another the following have already said they will be in that range:

Cadillac Lyriq, Ford Lightning, Chevy Silverado EV, GMC Hummer EV, Mercedes EQS, Nissan Ariya.

The Chevy Blazer and Equinox will be very close to the 500km range but it hasn't been finalized yet.

Like you said though these are all almost exclusively either crossovers or trucks, the reason being that's what sells like it or not. (Personally I don't). The crossover, for better or worse, is basically the new sedan.

[Lantanafrs2]

Don't forget the new vette and dodge charger. Fully electric and equipped with mask dispensers and antifa membership certificates

[Arthur-A]

Yeah, I'm wondering if there's a single thread around here where this ev crap is not mentioned. I mean, is it a car enthusiast forum at all?

[Dake]

Uh oh... someone's feeling triggered.

[Arthur-A]

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Yeah, I'm wondering if there's a single thread around here where this ev crap is not mentioned. I mean, is it a car enthusiast forum at all?

um, that's sorta why it's mentioned everywhere