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I will point out that your statement/link to legislation is wrong though. OMVIC enforces legislation, they don’t have anything else to do with it. The MVDA is what you’re looking for.
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Not very likely they can tell them that anyway. The manufacturers have less control on the dealers that people think. Market adjusted prices are not new or surprising no matter how much people may hate them. Nobody complains when there is a surplus and prices get slashed. Yes the MDVA sets legislation but the OMVIC is specific to Ontario and enforces the law here. If there was such a law it would be included in the OMVIC. The government placing maximum charges on what business prices is a slippery slope that they just don’t do much. Yet! What the dealer may haven been talking about was sticker price not MSRP. Not that salesmen are often reliable on such subjects anyway. Contrary to what they said there is not one single little shred of evidence that car dealers in Ontario can not charge w hat ever they want as long as they advertise and post the same price. When the S in MSRP becomes a R (required) then there will be all sorts of noise about it. This whole “that is the required maximum price” ledge down has been around forever yet not one person repeating it has ever provided any proof beyond “somebody said”.
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This is very simple and in black and white so not sure why everybody wants to twist it around so much. Yes it sucks when in the market for a high demand car but it is what it is and all the looking for loopholes in the world won’t change that. The same applies for just about every other high demand hard to get product product not sure why everybody thinks there is a different set of rules for cars.
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Yes, OMVIC has pursued charges such as s13 under ON CPA (unconscionable representation) for basically price gouging. Also, yes, manufacturers CAN and WILL control fair market of dealers. There are plenty of examples where the president of a vehicle corp has warned dealers to stop being shitheads. There are also tons of examples of dealership websites where their FAQ says that they cannot charge more than MSRP on brand new vehicles. The only thing they can add is admin fees.
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Sure, now that I'm sitting on a computer and not my phone. But please, let's stop this thread jacking after this post. If you want to discuss, you can feel free to PM me sans ad hominem. Also, if you REALLY want a clear answer from the horse's mouth, send an inquiry to OMVIC (consumers@omvic.on.ca). I'm sure they can clear up any questions and give a pretty solid answer backed by legislation and current interpretations/case law.
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Doug Ford warned industry writ large to not engage in price gouging due to global supply issues. Penalties were announced for gouging "necessary goods" (https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/5...-price-gouging)... however you can clearly see that the ON government will go after any industry that is reported to be violating the CPA, as in this hotel case (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thund...ging-1.5687295). Again, you can read the CPA, it's intentionally left open for interpretation. These are examples of the government applying that interpretation. Ref: Legal stuff (legislation) O.Reg. 333/08 (emphasis and abbreviations my own) Quote:
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The law says they must show MSRP on the contract it does not say that is the maximum allowed. Cars are not essential and not included in the Ford law. The FAQ contradicts itself in stating that one line says it is the suggested maximum and the next says they can’t charge over it. So which is it. The OMVIC documents are mostly for not being registered with a handful for not revealing all the charges in the advertising. None are for charging over MSRP. Not one of these says it is illegal. Unethical yes. Bad for image certainly. Shouldn’t be done most definitely. Illegal? No.
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HOWEVER, you may well wish to revise your thoughts on "that which is not specifically illegal is legal". If that were true, we wouldn't have judges to make those determinations, or case law to reference back to similar scenarios and outcomes. The law is not black on white. |
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1. I was posting from my phone and wasn't paying much attention. 2. We're all hooked up on the fact that the sales rep used the word "illegal". Let's drop the strict syntax enforcement here and rephrase: dealers are refusing to sell at MSRP because they either can not or will not, probably due to some level of risk evaluation vs public and vs manufacturers. |
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Maybe I overstepped with this being a thread a-boot Canada, but in the US courts uphold the law, not make them. The action that brings someone to court is already deemed illegal... the court process determines if someone is guilty.
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