2019 Toyota Corolla Hatchback & Sedan

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[krayzie]

Originally Posted by spike021

I blame BMW/Mazda/whoever else at this point.

You can blame Honda for this way before your time.

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[spike021]

Originally Posted by krayzie

You can blame Honda for this way before your time.

1992 was my time!

[krayzie]

If they are going to copy the old Mazda 3 hatchback at least find the right shape to do so.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by spike021

Such a huge blind spot imo. And I already see plenty of people on the road who are seated way lower than they should be. Like, regular people whose eyes barely reach the dash. Imagine having a big ass display taking up even more height.

Looks like it's in the way from the low angle of the picture. But it's actually not in the view of the windshield when you sit in the seat. Where it's located isn't going to increase/decrease drivers looking at the screen. Having it higher will be safer to keep your eyes on the road.

[Juvenile]

http://trdparts.jp/corollasport/index.html

[mazeroni]

The more I look at it the more I see how it will inevitably inspire the MY2022~23 86 redesign. Not that its terrible or anything, but I see a lot more boy racer in our car's future.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

The more I look at it the more I see how it will inevitably inspire the MY2022~23 86 redesign. Not that its terrible or anything, but I see a lot more boy racer in our car's future.

Are you going off the picture that @Juvenile posted? Because that front lip/aero/bumper strongly reminds me of the TRD bumper/lip for the FRS/86 already.

Last night when I saw the picture I thought it was inspired by those to be honest.

[strat61caster]

Eh, looking to buy a reasonably priced AT Hatch/Wagon soon, why wait for this over the Civic? Weaker engine, more complicated injection system & transmission, I don't expect it to be nicer without costing more so I'll probably end up with a Civic hatch or Mazda3 before the year is out. I should check out the Impreza but I just keep forgetting it exists.

But dat composite valve cover, long stroke, engine will be shared with a small crossover, expect fat mid-range torque.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Eh, looking to buy a reasonably priced AT Hatch/Wagon soon, why wait for this over the Civic? Weaker engine, more complicated injection system & transmission, I don't expect it to be nicer without costing more so I'll probably end up with a Civic hatch or Mazda3 before the year is out. I should check out the Impreza but I just keep forgetting it exists.

But dat composite valve cover, long stroke, engine will be shared with a small crossover, expect fat mid-range torque.

Handles better than the civic hatch. Same price/slightly less than the civic.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

Handles better than the civic hatch. Same price/slightly less than the civic.

That's a dubious claim, it's based off the 2015+ Prius platform, not exactly being praised for handling right now. The base '18 Corolla sedan is only $300 cheaper than the Civic sedan, I'll be very surprised if the hatch comes in any cheaper.

I'll throw a few hundred bucks Honda's way to shave a second off that 0-60 time, C&D is estimating >8s 0-60 for the new 'yota whereas the Civic Hatch CVT is hovering around 7.0
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review

They're not too positive on the '18 sedan's handling capabilities either (note the comparisons are for the 2.0L NA Civic & outgoing Corolla engine, not the 1.5L turbo)
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-driver-page-4

Weight will be the same, ~3k lbs for both, maybe a slight edge to the Civic as I've seen <2,900 reported some places. TTAC saying 3,000 for the Corolla hatch.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...t-second-time/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...tomatic-review

I already know I can bolt on the rear sway bar from a Type-R, $100 from the factory to get that extra bit of rotation along with pulling the alignment pins out of the front for an extra 0.3 degrees of camber, 8" factory wheels (and shared chassis dimensions with the Civic Type R) mean I can cram 245's in there if I can get the SO hooked on autox or keep it relatively affordable with 225's. Not sure what the Corolla can stuff under the fenders but Tirerack was only showing me 225's when I looked (it will upgrade tire sizes if applicable, like for the FRS/BRZ when shopping for 9" wheels). Not to mention the easy to crank up the turbo if the SO gets interested in feeding it more gas for smiles.

Thanks for making me look into this more, the Corolla is unlikely to be a contender for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not set in my ways, but the current sedan doesn't seem to be a promising contender and there's only so much engineering they can do, on paper the only thing that looks like it swings in the Corolla's favor is the shorter wheelbase maybe a more comfortable ride... And I guess the pretty blue color and the drift car they sponsored. If there's one on the lot I can test drive before I buy something else I will, but if not I don't think I'll be broken hearted about it.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

That's a dubious claim, it's based off the 2015+ Prius platform, not exactly being praised for handling right now. The base '18 Corolla sedan is only $300 cheaper than the Civic sedan, I'll be very surprised if the hatch comes in any cheaper.

I'll throw a few hundred bucks Honda's way to shave a second off that 0-60 time, C&D is estimating >8s 0-60 for the new 'yota whereas the Civic Hatch CVT is hovering around 7.0
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review

They're not too positive on the '18 sedan's handling capabilities either (note the comparisons are for the 2.0L NA Civic & outgoing Corolla engine, not the 1.5L turbo)
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-driver-page-4

Weight will be the same, ~3k lbs for both, maybe a slight edge to the Civic as I've seen <2,900 reported some places. TTAC saying 3,000 for the Corolla hatch.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...t-second-time/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...tomatic-review

I already know I can bolt on the rear sway bar from a Type-R, $100 from the factory to get that extra bit of rotation along with pulling the alignment pins out of the front for an extra 0.3 degrees of camber, 8" factory wheels (and shared chassis dimensions with the Civic Type R) mean I can cram 245's in there if I can get the SO hooked on autox or keep it relatively affordable with 225's. Not sure what the Corolla can stuff under the fenders but Tirerack was only showing me 225's when I looked (it will upgrade tire sizes if applicable, like for the FRS/BRZ when shopping for 9" wheels). Not to mention the easy to crank up the turbo if the SO gets interested in feeding it more gas for smiles.

Thanks for making me look into this more, the Corolla is unlikely to be a contender for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not set in my ways, but the current sedan doesn't seem to be a promising contender and there's only so much engineering they can do, on paper the only thing that looks like it swings in the Corolla's favor is the shorter wheelbase maybe a more comfortable ride... And I guess the pretty blue color and the drift car they sponsored. If there's one on the lot I can test drive before I buy something else I will, but if not I don't think I'll be broken hearted about it.

I drove both. If you can take the test drive on some spirited runs, you should.

The civic has more power potential and yeah it probably will have a better aftermarket.

As far as pricing. The Corolla Hatch only has 2 grades, the Civic Hatch has 5 grades so pricing varies. Both SE and XSE are pretty well equipped.

BTW even though Hatch and Sedan may both be on TNGA platform, the Hatch is a different vehicle, has different suspension, active cornering, and if you have CVT, it holds your you at a higher "gear" during spirited cornering instead of up-shifting you unnecessarily.

[strat61caster]

@NARFALICIOUS CVTs shouldn't 'shift' they should keep the engine at the optimum rpm for the task. The Honda supposedly works well in 'S' mode for performance driving.

The kind of performance I'm interested in I'm not comfortable exploring on public roads, ultimately the nicer road trip car will likely win out, performance will be secondary.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

@NARFALICIOUS CVTs shouldn't 'shift' they should keep the engine at the optimum rpm for the task. The Honda supposedly works well in 'S' mode for performance driving.

The kind of performance I'm interested in I'm not comfortable exploring on public roads, ultimately the nicer road trip car will likely win out, performance will be secondary.

They are simulated shifts.