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Old 06-04-2018, 08:44 PM   #547
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Oh.. Wow that is a long time. Since I don't have to worry about CARB I never pay attention to the process length. But a few years does seem long.
The problem is that they may have seen the problems Edelbrock had with they CARB tune, and they decided to tweak some things, or they are having problems traveling to the states from Australia to do tests and all the stuff that goes into it. At minimum, they have to fly a team here, ship a car or get a donor car, install the kit then CARB test it then perhaps have to retest, etc. I can imagine the distance would be something that delays the process.

Even if someone wants to take the chance to run around with an illegal kit, they still need to pull the kit off each time they smog, and that will be starting next year for 2013 vehicles, so I can imagine Harrop wanting to get the kit approved too, or lose more sales to Edelbrock.

FYI, this thread was started on 7/22/16. That is almost two years ago, and it was for owners; ie, not a product release.

On 12/04/2014, this thread was started, and people seemed to be buying their kits in late 2015:

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Any CARB updates?

What plugs and gaps do you suggest?
Hey I'm sorry, I have so many messages on too many platforms and I tend to lose track. I like to take my time and reply fully but often if I don't have the time, I read the message, and then forget to go back. Really bad habit. I also wanted to have a full update for you before I sent something.

Stick with stock plugs and gap. Don't worry about changing them until 60k. They are very robust and handle boost just fine.
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The problem is that they may have seen the problems Edelbrock had with they CARB tune, and they decided to tweak some things, or they are having problems traveling to the states from Australia to do tests and all the stuff that goes into it. At minimum, they have to fly a team here, ship a car or get a donor car, install the kit then CARB test it then perhaps have to retest, etc. I can imagine the distance would be something that delays the process.

Even if someone wants to take the chance to run around with an illegal kit, they still need to pull the kit off each time they smog, and that will be starting next year for 2013 vehicles, so I can imagine Harrop wanting to get the kit approved too, or lose more sales to Edelbrock.

FYI, this thread was started on 7/22/16. That is almost two years ago, and it was for owners; ie, not a product release.

On 12/04/2014, this thread was started, and people seemed to be buying their kits in late 2015:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=harrop

And on The Racer's Line page:



https://www.theracersline.com/produc...er-kit-frs-brz
I will have something for you this week. Instead of sitting by and waiting though, I have offered to help them even more with the process with some of the resources I have here, that they do not, so I hope that will help. Sadly, with CARB, if you "fail" or make tweaks you have to back to the end of the line. Something Edelbrock ran into as well I believe.
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Stick with stock plugs and gap. Don't worry about changing them until 60k. They are very robust and handle boost just fine.
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Im at 63k and will be changing when I install my kit. Thanks for the input. It seems that is what most people have been saying too, that oem is cold enough and the gap is fine, but it is good to hear it from you

Thanks for your efforts to help them. Regardless of whether you stand to benefit financially from the kit getting CARB approved, neetheless, us owners in California appreciate the effort
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Dumb question, but does the system sound any different at that boost level? Supercharger whine, air/boost noise, etc.? I would assume not due to the design, but I'm curious if it changes anything with high boost.
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could you make it scarier with a smaller pulley or at you at the engines limits?
There are a few smaller pulley sizes. 18, 20 and 22 psi pulleys I believe. Those are transmission breaking pulleys.
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There are a few smaller pulley sizes. 18, 20 and 22 psi pulleys I believe. Those are transmission breaking pulleys.
good, because long term goals are transmission breaking numbers lol. What stage 2 cam do you have? did you do anything like swapping the throttle body or valve porting? Mind sharing your engine build or is that a secret you can't share =]? I'm just really loving the numbers you're putting down without having hit the blowers limit just yet.
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What about longetivity with the stock pulley on stock engine?
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What about longetivity with the stock pulley on stock engine?
No issues so far. The stock pulley is only about 8psi. Lately most of the kits I have been selling have been bumping to the 9psi pulley off the bat. We are even running the 9psi pulley, on e85, on one of the shop track cars without issue. These cars and engines seem to be pretty happy in the 7-10psi range with good fuel and tuning.
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Thanks for your efforts to help them. Regardless of whether you stand to benefit financially from the kit getting CARB approved, neetheless, us owners in California appreciate the effort
Lord knows I'll be moving a lot more of these in CA once the CARB certification is done, but plenty are going to other states now, and many are taking the chance here in CA. Regardless, I do really just love the kit, the company, and the work they put in, and I want to see it succeed here in the states.

So I just got off the phone with the gentlemen at Harrop. They are having an engineering meeting on the CARB process tomorrow. The have also assured me, that this WILL NOT be something they give up on. It WILL be CARB certified, so there is no fear of it not happening!
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Lord knows I'll be moving a lot more of these in CA once the CARB certification is done, but plenty are going to other states now, and many are taking the chance here in CA. Regardless, I do really just love the kit, the company, and the work they put in, and I want to see it succeed here in the states.

So I just got off the phone with the gentlemen at Harrop. They are having an engineering meeting on the CARB process tomorrow. The have also assured me, that this WILL NOT be something they give up on. It WILL be CARB certified, so there is no fear of it not happening!
That is fantastic to hear! Keep up the good work man
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No issues so far. The stock pulley is only about 8psi. Lately most of the kits I have been selling have been bumping to the 9psi pulley off the bat. We are even running the 9psi pulley, on e85, on one of the shop track cars without issue. These cars and engines seem to be pretty happy in the 7-10psi range with good fuel and tuning.
Neil, have you had the chance to play with the variable boost controlled version that have been working on? Any thoughts? Seems ideal for those of us with flex fuel setups.

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Neil, have you had the chance to play with the variable boost controlled version that have been working on? Any thoughts? Seems ideal for those of us with flex fuel setups.

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Not yet! But it will be going on the shop car very soon, and I'll put up my first impressions when it does!
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good, because long term goals are transmission breaking numbers lol. What stage 2 cam do you have? did you do anything like swapping the throttle body or valve porting? Mind sharing your engine build or is that a secret you can't share =]? I'm just really loving the numbers you're putting down without having hit the blowers limit just yet.
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