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Old 01-27-2021, 01:29 AM   #701
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What the heck is bitchute, and why should I trust that clicking the link won't infect my computer with spyware?
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Not everything deserves an explanation, especially when the content comes from a cesspool like BitChute. The problem with arguing with conspiracy theorists is that there is no changing their mind. Flat Earthers, for instance, canít be proven wrong in their eyes because all evidence refuting their theories is fake. Anyone trying to present evidence against their theory is clearly apart of the deep state. The logic is very circular. Just saying. Iím trying to identify and ignore these right wing crazies. Like an addict, they need to hit rock bottom, wake themselves up and snap out of their quackery.

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BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material.[a][b] The platform was created in 2017 to allow video uploaders to avoid content rules enforcement on YouTube,[13] and some creators who have been banned from YouTube or had their channels barred from receiving advertising revenue ("demonetized") have migrated to BitChute.

Since launching, BitChute has accommodated far-right groups and individuals.[a] The Southern Poverty Law Center wrote in 2019 that the site hosts "hate-fueled material", and the Anti-Defamation League wrote in 2020 that "BitChute has become a hotbed for violent, conspiratorial and hate-filled video propaganda, and a recruiting ground for extremists".[10][11] According to a report from anti-extremism group Hope not Hate in 2020, BitChute "actively promotes" content which was removed from other platforms as hate speech. Hope not Hate also documented videos hosted on BitChute supporting or produced by terrorists groups, including ISIS and the neo-Nazi groups National Action and Atomwaffen Division.[6][12] A report from British Jewish group Community Security Trust says that some terrorist videos have been on the site for over a year, and that BitChute only removes this content when forced to.[7][22] One academic analysis found that BitChute had more hate speech than Gab, but less than 4chan. It found that only a small group of channels on the network had any meaningful engagement, almost all of which pushed conspiracy- and hate-laden content.[23]

The far-right conspiracy theory channel InfoWars migrated to BitChute after being banned by YouTube.[2] Prominent far-right and alt-right video creators who have cross-posted to both YouTube and BitChute include Lauren Southern, Stefan Molyneux, Millennial Woes, and Paul Joseph Watson.[1][3]

The platform also hosts misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic.[6] The conspiracy theory video Plandemic has been has been viewed on BitChute millions of times after having been removed from other platforms for spreading medically harmful misinformation.[24][25][12]

BitChute is part of a group of "alt-tech" websites that position themselves as less strictly-moderated alternatives to mainstream social media platforms like YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter.[5][9] Deen Freelon and colleagues writing in Science characterized BitChute as among the alt-tech sites that are "dedicated to right-wing communities", and listed the site along with 4chan, 8chan, Parler, and Gab. They noted there are also more ideologically neutral alt-tech platforms, such as Discord and Telegram.[9]
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I don't trust it. That's why I was asking for an explanation. He's not a scientist, just reporting on the "facts".
I watched about 2 minutes of some ABC Florida channel report. Not the strongest start to state facts. Be that as it may, there was a similar sequence of reproductive gene and the capsid. That isnít much. The covid genome is pretty big at ~30k nt so having something similar isnít much.
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My problem with the vaccine as a soldier is the Gulf War syndrome. For all you young folks out there, when the military decided to invade Iraq in the early 90ís, allot of soldiers were vaccinated with unproven vaccines and experimental vaccines to protect against biological attacks. After returning from the war, soldiers were making babies. A lot of the babies had developmental issues to include mental retardation, deformed appendages, and so forth. There was a big law suit. Some of the soldiers medical records were wiped out clean to hide the traces.

Currently in the Army, i canít speak for other branches, the vaccine is optional. They even make you sign paperwork before the vaccine. Currently the trend right now for vaccinated soldiers are senior leadership. Junior soldiers are less likely to get the vaccination.

So until itís fda approved and the Army makes it mandatory, Iím going to pass on this one. Who knows, i am legend just might be true.


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I’m trying to identify and ignore these right wing crazies.
Same, I've identified the left wing crazies.
*Using Wiki as a credible source to figure out something about politics lolololol
https://www.heartland.org/news-opini...p-of-the-facts
Like I said, all this like politics and religion doesn't end with an answer for everybody to be happy with.
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Same, I've identified the left wing crazies.
*Using Wiki as a credible source to figure out something about politics lolololol
https://www.heartland.org/news-opini...p-of-the-facts
Like I said, all this like politics and religion doesn't end with an answer for everybody to be happy with.
First BitChute and now Heartland Institute lol You are posting stuff from websites known to support hate groups like white supremisists, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, QAnon, deep state fanatics, UFO wakos, climate deniers, right and libertarian extremists, capital insurrectionists, etc.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...ots-to-policy/

We can go in circles. Why are you here? If everything and everyone is corrupt around you then no one can convince you of anything except when it comes from people in your little circle. That reasoning is a logic fallacy when you appeal to authority. What is worse is you arenít being intellectually consistent. You post a video where the guy talks about scientific evidence for something, which you accept because it comes from a right wing platform, but then you donít believe the overwhelming data and scientific consensus on climate change. This is cherry picking or a type of special pleadingóanother logic fallacy.
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but then you don’t believe the overwhelming data and scientific consensus on climate change. This is cherry picking or a type of special pleading—another logic fallacy.
There are extremists on both sides, and it is fact that both conspiracy theorists are right to be paranoid sometimes and scientists sometimes get it wrong. I suppose at least scientists are usually willing to be convinced and moved to a different argument.

In the end, like most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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During the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine study, there were 23 study participants who became pregnant during their vaccine trial. There was one pregnancy loss, but this was in a participant who received the placebo, not the vaccine.
On the other hand, the testis have an abundant amount of ACE2 receptor, so COVID infection may be the bigger concern:

https://link.springer.com/article/10...32-020-00261-z


Small study of many studies looking at the effect of COVID on male fertility. We will have to


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H&E histomorphology showed three of the six COVID-19 biopsies had normal spermatogenesis while the remaining three had impaired spermatogenesis. TEM showed the COVID-19 virus in testis tissue of one COVID-19 positive autopsy case and the live biopsy, H&E stain on the same autopsy case demonstrated interstitial macrophage and leukocyte infiltration. Immunofluorescent stained slides from six COVID-19 positive men demonstrated a direct association between increased quantitative ACE-2 levels and impairment of spermatogenesis.
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Preliminary findings so far suggest the possibility of both direct and indirect infection of SARS-CoV-2 in the reproductive system of males and possible impact on general health and well-being potentially leading to infertility. Evidence indicates a possible long-term effect of the pathogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 infection on testicular tissue, which may further impact reproductive performance. Moreover, the possibility of sexual transmission of SARS-CoV-2 cannot be ruled out.
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There are extremists on both sides, and it is fact that both conspiracy theorists are on right to be paranoid and scientists sometimes get it wrong. I suppose at least scientists are usually willing to be convinced and moved to a different argument.

In the end, like most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.


Scientists follow the evidence. They aren't bound to dogma. They will readily shift their opinion in light of new and compelling evidence.


I agree there are extremists on both sides, except the extremists on either side have vastly different agendas like one wants to be a supreme race and the other wants transgender people to have bathroom privileges or all races to have equal rights. There are extremists on both sides who share government distrust or are anti-vaxxers, so sometimes the thinking-sickness and irrationality exists on both sides, but I don't think the divide is equal.


The truth can be in the middle, but it can also not be in the middle.
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This is cherry picking or a type of special pleading—another logic fallacy.
Oh you are informed of logical fallacies...
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Say hello to my friend, the strawman. This all gets better every post.

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This thread reminds me of politicians calling for unity and then immediately out the other side of their mouth for reeducation camps, removal of rights including speech, extreme censorship and anything to silence their opposition.
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"Readily" is probably a little generous, but we're saying the same thing.


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Sorry, but you're being a little disingenuous there. What you describe as "far left" is far from it. It's much more mainstream than you, or the press, seems to want folks to believe. I guess it supports your point, but doesn't do you any favors.

Believe it or not, we're on the same page here, but I tend to be more centrist about it I suppose. I truly believe most stories have two sides, and both are typically wrong in some way, shape or form.
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Oh you are informed of logical fallacies...


Say hello to my friend, the strawman. This all gets better every post.

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My politics are better than your politics.

This thread reminds me of politicians calling for unity and then immediately out the other side of their mouth for reeducation camps, removal of rights including speech, extreme censorship and anything to silence their opposition.

It isn't an exaggeration if it is true. Those are prevalent ideas in the two "extremes", so those are not strawman--they are examples. The fact that you see them as exaggerations gives me some hope that you may not be a part of such extremists, even if your sources suggest you could be.


Listen, Germany went through a period post WWII that the US never went through, and it would be a good idea if we did. They teach their kids about the atrocities that occurred in their history. They teach their kids about the dangers of fascism and the types of thinking that leads to fascism. They worked hard to censor and reform hate groups. The tried to remove their platform. It worked. We have more people in the states that celebrate the fascist history of Germany than Germany has.


Similarly, we could use racial reform and anti-fascist education. The censorship of people who would incite insurrection has been shown by their actions on our capital to be a real concern to the safety of our country and the members of congress. I don't know who or what rights you are referring to when you claim rights to speech have been taken or what you mean by extreme censorship. As far as I have seen, the censorship has been to the extremists, so this is where I get concerned again about where your thinking is at.
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"Readily" is probably a little generous, but we're saying the same thing.


Time is relative. Contrast it to the changing consensus on other practices that relate to politics, religion, etc. It is "readily".

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Sorry, but you're being a little disingenuous there. What you describe as "far left" is far from it. It's much more mainstream than you, or the press, seems to want folks to believe. I guess it supports your point, but doesn't do you any favors.

Believe it or not, we're on the same page here, but I tend to be more centrist about it I suppose. I truly believe most stories have two sides, and both are typically wrong in some way, shape or form.


I agree and disagree. There are two perspectives. There is the perspective of how the middle sees the two extremes and how the extremes view the other extremes. Ask the far right what are the radial left policies and you might find a list that includes things like having "gay books" that their kids are taught in school or having a mandate to allow transgender people to use the bathroom they identify. You might recall that just 12 years ago Prop 8 was passed, in all places, California. On polar issues, the extremes view the other side as extreme. You might be identifying transgender rights as something that has a more universal or broad consensus, but it is a very polar issue, so I wasn't being disingenuous. See the pew research below:


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...and-democrats/
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The problem with arguing with conspiracy theorists is that there is no changing their mind. Flat Earthers, for instance, canít be proven wrong in their eyes because all evidence refuting their theories is fake. Anyone trying to present evidence against their theory is clearly apart of the deep state. The logic is very circular.
You summarize the situation perfectly. We live in a time of unprecedented confirmation bias. Many people completely immerse themselves in a digital echo chamber that repeatedly parrots back to them their own preconceived ideas, which become more entrenched and intractable with each repetition.

It might be gracious or even-handed to say that often 'the truth lies in the middle'. Sometimes it might. But while everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there is only one set of facts. Data are data. If something is objectively measurable, there is only one version of reality. People on different sides might interpret and have different feelings about reality, but there is still only one version of it.

That's what bothers me the most about the current environment we live in. There are people who are deeply frightened of, and angered by, truth. They see it, and anyone who advocates truth, as an existential threat to their existence. If someone is of that mindset, as you said, there is no reaching them or convincing them of anything other than the fantasy world they are rooted in.
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