02-21-2023, 09:58 AM | #43 | |
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A small 2-seater MR car will always be a niche market thing. If you give it say, 180hp, it will still get laughed at most SUVs are just as quick or quicker. We should know, 86s face the same "problem". I'm not a big fan of that listen-to-the-car-buying-public doctrine, as all it's given us is the death of sedans and estates in favour of needlessly large SUVs, that are as quick as they are boring. As some well-known automotive journo pointed out, all history's great cars were some enlightened individual showing a solution to the public, not the other way around. |
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02-21-2023, 03:59 PM | #44 | |
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Instead you have to place a dedicated order to your specs and your car is sent over from Japan in the next shipment. So you get the exact spec you wanted (unless you opt to buy a car from another buyer’s cancelled order). All this means the 95% take up rate for the 2.0 downunder was largely buyer preference. BTW, thanks to supply shortages the wait time for the MX-5 RF in Australia is currently over 12 months, as well. |
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Mazda themselves explained it was withdrawn here due to the low take up rate. Again, 95% of sales in Australia were 2.0 when both the 1.5 and 2.0 were on sale here together for 6 years. The 1.5 was also much cheaper during that time, and despite that it struggled to gain traction with anyone other than an occasional motoring journo. Occam’s razor comes into play here. You can come up with as many alternate reasons for the poor sales of the 1.5 and its withdrawal as you want, but the simpler explanation, the one Mazda themselves gave (and why doubt them?), is that it just wasn’t popular enough and didn’t sell enough to bother keeping it in the Australian lineup. They cannot produce enough 2.0 MX-5s fast enough to satisfy Australian demand as is, so it stands to reason they saw no need to keep the 1.5 on sale here for a measly 5% of the sales. This really isn’t as complicated as folks want to make out. I get that y’all want to defend low HP sports cars. But reality is the wider market has its own preferences, and manufacturers respond to that and have to make hard nosed decisions. |
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I never said it wouldn’t sell inside Japan, and yeah, it might shift a few units in Europe too if it were to be sold there, but that alone isn’t a strong business case to make it an export model. You really need the North American market to be viable to make a strong case for making a niche Japanese sports car an export model. Quote:
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So it is an even bigger stretch for them to justify building even lower powered and thus even more niche sports cars for export to countries like Aus and the US. Which was my point all along, this alleged MR car, if it really has only 120HP, is very unlikely to be sold in Aus or the US. And if it won’t be sold in the US and Aus, it is very unlikely to be sold anywhere else outside Japan. Because at that point the business case to make it an export model, and meet overseas regulations etc, just doesn’t stack up. So far none of you folks have countered the actual arguments I am making about market viability, but instead are focussed on defending the idea of low HP sports cars against what you see as misguided consumer preferences. So be it, but that’s not the point, and it doesn’t make this alleged Suzuki-Toyota MR2 any more likely to sell overseas. Let’s wait and see. Remember this all originated from clickbait rumours. It almost certainly isn’t happening. More likely is a Japan only kei style car, or a full EV (the latter likely being several years away). |
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As far as US sales, until the last two years cars were pretty much purchased from inventory. I doubt 10% of vehicles of any type were ordered. Obviously it is different in Australia, and based on the information you provided, it sounds like it was a sales volume business decision to pull it.
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I could be mistaken, but I'm 95% certain that the 1.5 liter ND was never sold in the US market.
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But for the auto makers, I suspect the margins on $100 + thousand dollar suvs and pickups are the stuff of nocturnal emissions. It’s Americone capitalism at its best. Lol
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Yeah. Costs next to nothing extra to build them...can charge 20% more for them...
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And let's not make believe that all SUVs are gas guzzling behemoths. Many get as good or better than the Twins. My wife's seemingly massive Ascent with the 2.4 turbo get's better mileage than half the cars posted on here. LOLOLOLOLOLOL 2012 C63 mileage at 14MPG means that most larger SUVs are the same or way better than your car. The GTi is better but then of course it means driving a GTi which is really to small for a family vehicle. Doesn't matter what the MR2 gets since it is useless to about 95% of the general public anyway.
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Again cheaper than any of the cars in your profile.
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I have to say I'm puzzled by the choices of new car buyers. People should tend towards a cartesian solution to the car-buying equation which leads to the purchase of something efficient, reasonable, comfortable, etc. But cars are such an image product that everyone wants to spend huge $$$ into what's really a secondary need. Based on utility and use time, they should come far behind home ownership, beds, couches, TVs / computers / phones, desks, etc. Yet we're shelling out a yearly income on an appliance with leather seats we'll use on average 1h/day. Back to topic, MR2 revival seems unlikely as: -Toyota didn't go through with the SF-R, which seemed a more advanced product -Honda already has the S660 on the market |
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of course, it wasn't as efficient as a geo metro, but it was comparatively better than most other suv's at the time.
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Why buy an 86 when there are perfectly good two door cars in Europe? If you are spending a yearly income on a vehicle you are either earning far to little or living well beyond your means. There is a lot of rock throwing going on in his glass house!
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Well… take this as a grain of salt, but last I’ve heard (late ‘22) it’s been pushed to the corner AGAIN for for the 30th time. Due to few other boring projects been bumped into “priority”. When I heard that news, I was pissed! Cuz all the stuff I was hearing was sounding “fair” & good. But again greedy a-holes… I’ll stop here.
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