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Old 04-06-2021, 04:43 AM   #1
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BRZ/GR86 driving differences

So I've been looking at videos and reading barely understandable auto-generated translations.

There are two things that have stuck out so far, and neither will probably surprise anyone.

1 - The GR86/BRZ have different clutch engagement or accelerator pedal feel.
2 - The GR86 has been been made to oversteer a lot.

Its the second one I'm a bit more worried about - because its not like the BRZ seems unable to kick its read out, it just seems like the GR86 is willing to lose it with very little power.

While I do think that the current model BRZ/86 on performance tires needs more power, particularly the BRZ, I don't think either will need to tune more oversteer now that it has more power.

edit - was watching this one posted earlier.


Now it might well just be tires (I think I made out the word *edit goodyear* while one guy was riding in the GR86), or I might just be seeing things and thinking that 'sex party with still stiffness' means something entirely different.

I'd love it if anyone who might speak Japanese can give us a summary of what's being said about the driving differences...

edit: was watching this posted elsewhere

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So I've been looking at videos and reading barely understandable auto-generated translations.

There are two things that have stuck out so far, and neither will probably surprise anyone.

1 - The GR86/BRZ have different clutch engagement or accelerator pedal feel.
2 - The GR86 has been been made to oversteer a lot.

Its the second one I'm a bit more worried about - because its not like the BRZ seems unable to kick its read out, it just seems like the GR86 is willing to lose it with very little power.

While I do think that the current model BRZ/86 on performance tires needs more power, particularly the BRZ, I don't think either will need to tune more oversteer now that it has more power.

edit - was watching this one posted earlier.


Now it might well just be tires (I think I made out the word Bridgestone while one guy was riding in the GR86), or I might just be seeing things and thinking that 'sex party with still stiffness' means something entirely different.

I'd love it if anyone who might speak Japanese can give us a summary of what's being said about the driving differences...

edit: was watching this posted elsewhere

The zenki GT86 was like that too. I remember test driving an FR-S and halfway through a light drizzle started. I was coming from a 400hp 335i with 265s in the back, and the FR-S was almost impossible to drive straight with my expectation of grip. The front end never washed out, but the back end always stepped out when you were thinking about going near the throttle mid corner. The BRZ needed a bit more tossing to break loose.

I ended up choosing the BRZ, not related to the handling differences though. Although I always found it interesting that a simple spring change made the character between the cars so significantly different feeling.
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Old 04-06-2021, 07:18 AM   #3
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The zenki GT86 was like that too. I remember test driving an FR-S and halfway through a light drizzle started. I was coming from a 400hp 335i with 265s in the back, and the FR-S was almost impossible to drive straight with my expectation of grip. The front end never washed out, but the back end always stepped out when you were thinking about going near the throttle mid corner. The BRZ needed a bit more tossing to break loose.

I ended up choosing the BRZ, not related to the handling differences though. Although I always found it interesting that a simple spring change made the character between the cars so significantly different feeling.
I'm definitely testing both this time around.

My 86 test didnt show up anything, I was just giddy with excitement.

Honestly I didn't even know how hard to go or what I was looking for in a RWD car when I first got it back in 2012 - my last car was the equivalent to your matrix xrs (Corolla Sportivo - but ours came with the jp spec 141kw 2zz), and before that it was a 1998 holden astra (really the german Opel Astra rebadged).

But now I do know what to look for in a RWD car - thankyou OG 86.
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Old 04-06-2021, 10:04 AM   #4
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If you want the GR and don’t like the looseness the remedy is a rear sway bar away I’d imagine provided the stock one is too stiff
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If you want the GR and don’t like the looseness the remedy is a rear sway bar away I’d imagine provided the stock one is too stiff
The Toyota people talked a lot about 'customisation'.

Perhaps make it the cheaper option, make it a bit squirrely, and sell you on all the factory suspension improvement parts?

Kinda like they did last time in japan if I recall =D
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So the difference is pretty much the same as when the 86/FRS vs BRZ first came out?
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So the difference is pretty much the same as when the 86/FRS vs BRZ first came out?

Sure sounds like it, different face and stiffer rear springs on the Toyota.
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Sure sounds like it, different face and stiffer rear springs on the Toyota.
Or softer fronts...
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Or softer fronts...

Yea, I think they’ll be a softer like last time, but a lot of the bias will probably be from upping the rear, since the testers keep saying the BRZ dives more in the corners.
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Any difference in throttle response would be from tuning unless its a placebo effect from the chassis setup?
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Should we keep in mind that these are pre-production models and what comes off the line could be entirely different based on the market they will be selling into?
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Sounds like how the first gens were more or less, and I highly doubt that they would tune the throttle differently, but call me crazy in that regard.

Ugh, can we get pricing and options yet?
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