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OneJoeZee · 04-11-2010, 12:17 PM

I'm glad this car will not have the unequal header sound. I really hate it.

Sorry Subaru/boxer fans, I do. I remember when I blew the motor on my Supra and it was running on 4 cylinders, it sounded just like a Subaru.

I would have been able to tolerate the sound with a stock exhaust since it's not so pronounced but I would never have an aftermarket exhaust on mine with unequal headers.

Don't hate me...

RWD_only · 04-15-2010, 03:38 AM

Side note, I wonder how much of SF and, specifically, SFOT is going to be coming over?

Anyway, welcome, Joe.

Matador · 04-15-2010, 08:02 AM

^ Present please.

mrtodd · 04-15-2010, 11:26 PM

I'm with Joe on this one, I really don't see what the deal is with the Subie UEL craze....

On ALL N/A Hondas, UEL headers have been dyno proven, on all setups, to provide inferior power to that of a true equal length header.

All of the research I did on turbo manifolds (also for Honda applications only) have shown the same results... EL > UEL. In terms of peak HP.

So, why do so many people love an INFERIOR design?

If I am incorrect on any of this, please feel free to educate me, otherwise I stand behind my reasoning.

bigbcraig · 04-20-2010, 10:46 AM

On Subaru's, at least, they are definitively inferior but not significantly. We love the sound enough that the extra little bit of power isn't worth it.

Matador · 04-20-2010, 11:05 AM

feel free to buy some aftermarket UELs and slap them on you FT/216A.

mrtodd · 04-20-2010, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

On Subaru's, at least, they are definitively inferior but not significantly. We love the sound enough that the extra little bit of power isn't worth it.

Fair enough. :happy0180:

ichitaka05 · 04-20-2010, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtodd

I'm with Joe on this one, I really don't see what the deal is with the Subie UEL craze....

On ALL N/A Hondas, UEL headers have been dyno proven, on all setups, to provide inferior power to that of a true equal length header.

All of the research I did on turbo manifolds (also for Honda applications only) have shown the same results... EL > UEL. In terms of peak HP.

So, why do so many people love an INFERIOR design?

If I am incorrect on any of this, please feel free to educate me, otherwise I stand behind my reasoning.

Yeah data is proven that ELH > UELH... but sadly, current after market header for NA engine, there's only two company still make it: Borla & OBX. Out of those two, most people choose Borla instead (or Borla Rep from eBay).

Eckshero · 06-05-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bochet

Dear Aftermarket,

Please make a set of UEL headers so this sounds like a proper boxer engine.

Regards,
Bochet

+1 cant get enough of that boxer rumble.:happy0180:
i think it really depends on the displacement of the engine. i hear tuners tell ej20 owners to stay away from ELH. you lose more TQ but gain better topend. to me i'd rather have more TQ and mid range anyday.

04-11-2010, 12:17 PM	#71
OneJoeZee Ore wa Gundamu da Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 1989 Toyota MR2 Location: (ಠ__ಠ) Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm glad this car will not have the unequal header sound. I really hate it. Sorry Subaru/boxer fans, I do. I remember when I blew the motor on my Supra and it was running on 4 cylinders, it sounded just like a Subaru. I would have been able to tolerate the sound with a stock exhaust since it's not so pronounced but I would never have an aftermarket exhaust on mine with unequal headers. Don't hate me... __________________

04-15-2010, 03:38 AM	#72
RWD_only Lurks 'n stuff Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 1994 Mazda Miata Location: Eugene/Sherwood, OR Posts: 112 Thanks: 99 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Side note, I wonder how much of SF and, specifically, SFOT is going to be coming over? Anyway, welcome, Joe.

04-15-2010, 08:02 AM	#73
Matador hashiryu Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Mk4 Supra Location: Probably mucking around in an engine bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^ Present please.

04-15-2010, 11:26 PM	#74
mrtodd Techmology. Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: Scrapped project EH2 Location: Teh Mountains Posts: 137 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm with Joe on this one, I really don't see what the deal is with the Subie UEL craze.... On ALL N/A Hondas, UEL headers have been dyno proven, on all setups, to provide inferior power to that of a true equal length header. All of the research I did on turbo manifolds (also for Honda applications only) have shown the same results... EL > UEL. In terms of peak HP. So, why do so many people love an INFERIOR design? If I am incorrect on any of this, please feel free to educate me, otherwise I stand behind my reasoning.

04-20-2010, 10:46 AM	#75
bigbcraig Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2013 BRZ / 2015 WRX Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 232 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	On Subaru's, at least, they are definitively inferior but not significantly. We love the sound enough that the extra little bit of power isn't worth it.

04-20-2010, 11:05 AM	#76
Matador hashiryu Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Mk4 Supra Location: Probably mucking around in an engine bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	feel free to buy some aftermarket UELs and slap them on you FT/216A.

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