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Old 08-19-2021, 05:45 PM   #225
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Edit: Taking a look through the Press Kit, which includes photos of the very cars we drove, I have found a few photos that may be revealing.
These photos show parts that should be only on a GR 86: iron knuckles, and rear-facing subframe-mounted ARB brackets.

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To further confuse this idea, it is possible that the photos I am showing you are not indicative of the cars we were driving.

The photos I posted were specifically of the one stationary car they had on display. They specifically told us that this car was not close to production and was just there for static display imagery.

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It's possible that this was a converted BRZ (or early 86 prototype) that they "borrowed" to have another display car, but the GR86s we were driving were full US production spec.

I didn't take note of the rear subframe discrepancy at the time, but the front aluminum knuckles did surprise me. Sadly, not enough for me to want to take a peek under one of the driving cars.

The vast majority of the stationary shots you see in reviews online are with this prototype vehicle.
Case closed?
And perhaps they shouldn't have put a mechanical BRZ there for everyone to take detailed pictures
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Well it would be a pretty big screwup if the press kit has pics of BRZ parts in it.

@ so those pictures showing the white car on a lift are from a car that was driven at the event?
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Now that we're fairly certain that the cars actually were GR86 spec and not disguised BRZs, did anyone notice any mention of extreme oversteer or hard to control slides in any review? The closest I remember is Throttle House's mention of unpredictability and "4 wheel drift" but they attributed that to the Pilot 4 tires. Could that have been the toe changes in the rear as reported in the Japanese tests?
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Well it would be a pretty big screwup if the press kit has pics of BRZ parts in it.

@ so those pictures showing the white car on a lift are from a car that was driven at the event?
Yep, those pictures are from the garages at Monticello Raceway. I believe that car is VIN# JF1MSHZN9U4000057, which was a Halo White Premium that we drove on track.

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Now that we're fairly certain that the cars actually were GR86 spec and not disguised BRZs, did anyone notice any mention of extreme oversteer or hard to control slides in any review? The closest I remember is Throttle House's mention of unpredictability and "4 wheel drift" but they attributed that to the Pilot 4 tires. Could that have been the toe changes in the rear as reported in the Japanese tests?
The car felt progressive at the limit, just like the first gen. Monticello raceway had plenty of off-camber and elevation changes and the car was predictable as expected through the rear suspension travel.

I drove both the base and the premium on the different tire setups and the Primacies were as slidey as they were on the old car. Pilot 4's on the Premium suited the car very well for my driving style, plenty of grip but easy to rotate the rear on throttle when you're at the limit.

On the bumpy NY backroads it very much just felt like I was driving my BRZ. The balance is basically unchanged from what I felt. No wacky toe-out on compression like an S2k or anything, at least in the few hours I got with the car.
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Now that we're fairly certain that the cars actually were GR86 spec and not disguised BRZs, did anyone notice any mention of extreme oversteer or hard to control slides in any review? The closest I remember is Throttle House's mention of unpredictability and "4 wheel drift" but they attributed that to the Pilot 4 tires. Could that have been the toe changes in the rear as reported in the Japanese tests?
I did not see anything like that (other than TH). Generally everyone seemed to like the handling.

Also... the Throttle House video was not at Monticello. With all the uncertainty around the suspension changes I wonder when they filmed it and if the car they had was the same spec as the ones all the other reviewers used at Monticello.
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Yep, those pictures are from the garages at Monticello Raceway. I believe that car is VIN# JF1MSHZN9U4000057, which was a Halo White Premium that we drove on track.
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Very interesting, I thought these cars didn’t have VINs yet.
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Thank you!

Very interesting, I thought these cars didn’t have VINs yet.
I believe since these are early production models, they all have VINs that are slightly different from the actual production vehicles.

The Trueno Blue Base GR86 was JF1MSHZN2U4000062
and the Track bRed Premium was JF1MSHZNXU4000066, etc etc

The U before the production # is an invalid check digit for a US production car, but as you can see almost all of these cars are in the 50s/60s for their production number.

It's likely that there are already full production cars starting manufacturing, as we are expecting to see cars land in California ports by Thanksgiving/Late November time.
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I did not see anything like that (other than TH). Generally everyone seemed to like the handling.

Also... the Throttle House video was not at Monticello. With all the uncertainty around the suspension changes I wonder when they filmed it and if the car they had was the same spec as the ones all the other reviewers used at Monticello.
Toyota Canada held separate events from Toyota USA. I believe the Canadian outlets were each given an individual day to shoot with the car due to Covid restrictions. They were filmed at about the same time as the US ones though, give or take about a week.
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Also... the Throttle House video was not at Monticello. With all the uncertainty around the suspension changes I wonder when they filmed it and if the car they had was the same spec as the ones all the other reviewers used at Monticello.
My guess is that the Canadians couldn't travel to Monticello due to COVID restrictions, so they got a car in Toronto Motorsports Park. The Straight Pipes also reviewed a red GR86 and also in TMP. On the other hand Jason Cammisa also did his video not in Monticello. I guess lots of YouTube subscribers gets you preferential treatment.
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I was dealing with a math problem the other day and, until I realized it was the argmax, I was very confused by some properties of the problem I was seeing.
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Me listening to The Straight Pipes. I ended up not finishing it after the 10 or so time. Savage Geese is slipping. Some of the things they say don’t make sense. Like “because it’s a torsen it has easy to control suspension.”




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Taking a look through the Press Kit, which includes photos of the very cars we drove, I have found a few photos that may be revealing.
Nice to know it comes with the aero underbody panels I had to buy separately for my '17

And they put a cover on the oil drain plug hole

Those bastards. Car ruined.
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First of all, Throttle House reviews their cars on Dunnville Motorsports Park (it is closed to the public due to noise complaints but you can rent it privately). It's a shrewd move as it makes TH very exclusive when it comes to track results and its difficult to compare them to anyone else.

Second of all, Straight Pipes calling the curbing at TMP "Continental Curbing" is sooooo cringey. They are fun to watch for YouTube consumerism but as car folks or technical folks? Its full of weird statements.

As for the Canada reviews (which TH And SP are), Canada only has the ONE GR86 going around town right now for everyone to spend a day with.

Sauce: I used to be in the industry and still keep touch with the peeps. You can find my name hidden in a bunch of TH stuff.
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