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Old 01-04-2020, 11:28 PM   #743
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For the past month, I have been grazing through the forums, all the FB 86 enthusiast and track pages, and been in contact with RR and about a dozen people who have used their kits but I still can't make a decision. My observations have been somewhat split between people who swear against RR and call their products garbage/trash/low quality/worse than OEM and then the other half loving their kits/wilwoods and testifying to its greatness. Likewise some customers incredibly disappointed with the build quality and performance yet others are the complete opposite.



Am I crazy?



Why is there such a discrepancy on this kit between the community? I understand that products have their supporters/haters but I can't seem to find a consensus on how legitimate this kit is. I've been going back and forth on proceeding with purchasing them but each time I was swayed away I've been told to look at AP sprint, endurance, stoptech etc. but I don't want to count RR out for their value and support I've seen.



I'm interested in the stage 1 kit and leaving my rear oems alone. I autocross regularly with a handful of track days here and there and would like to improve my braking performance but don't want to drop turbo-like money. I know they're not the best in the business but I just want to know if they're legitimate and good to run considering bias & performance
It sounds to me like you may be talking with the wrong people. Much like with politics, as people realize they don't know as much as they think they did, their opinions become less extreme.
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Here is a dead honest review, tips and tricks from a Stage II and Sport owner that tracks the car a lot:

Wilwood is a known good brand of calipers - Not great - but good. Wilwood parts are easy to buy for replacements/rebuilds

The supplied caliper adapter brackets are ok quality. In a world where flyin miata makes beautiful brackets that are anodized with machined text, these are a little lack luster. The fact that we have to add shims to square the caliper is also not ideal. The brackets should have been made to properly square the caliper with the rotor.

IMO - the kit should come with custom brake hoses. Not adapt the OEM to fit. But that is one way RR keeps the cost down. Putting a positive spin on it, this keeps quick hose replacements easy to source.

Don't get them powder coated. The raw finish that willwood supplies is far superior and will look good longer. See the yellow caliper above. That is after 1 year of heavy use.

Customer service is amazing. I had a ton of questions.

The fact that this system uses the OEM performance package rotors means rotors will always be available and cheap.

Also, get the stage 2 kit unless your wheel offset holds you back. The stage 2 kit uses thicker pads which last longer.

Willwood pads are complete garbage from any performance standpoint. Swap them out for anything else.

Brake component life has drastically increased and brake performance (especially with the rear sport kit) is amazing.
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What do you mean the kit should come with custom brake hoses?
I the fronts are OK. I believe the fronts are just Stoptech hoses with the banjo fitting removed. Then female fitting then goes into a -3an to 1/8"npt 90 degree elbow, then into the caliper. The rears have an adapter that adapts the metric oem banjo bolt to a 1/8" npt fitting. IMO it is another point of failure. Most other kits come with custom lines. This comes from my insane OCD and mechanical engineering background. It might not bother most but that was my honest review.

Overall I do like the kit an have recommended it to a bunch of people. In fact, a track car friend of mine is switching from AP Sprint to the RR stage 2 and sport rear kit because of the super cheap replacement parts.
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Thanks Takumi for the review.

Yeah for the price point, they are really attractive. I have someone who is gets them directly saying he can get the red stage 1 (with BP20 and lines) for me for $1130 which is pretty good (I think there is no non-powder coat option)

I want to go with stage 1 since I am running OEM TRD wheels for summer and OEM wheels for winter and keep my rear as OEM. I realize the pads would have shorter life but honestly it might be more cost effective in the long run vs trying to find bigger wheels to fit the stage 2 and the 'safer to avoid' spacers (even if they are perfectly safe, I'd like to have peace of mind knowing nothing is between my wheels and hubs).

Ideally I'd like the rears but I have heard that the 86 doesn't need a rear kit...that and I am not too keen about removing the dust shields and/or messing with the ebrake myself.

I have a SARD rear wing paired with a verus front splitter that gives some downforce...I'm not sure if that makes a difference in the bias as I hear the stage 1/2 kits shift the bias frontward.

As long as this kit is a large improvement from OEM, reliable, and truly 'worth' the upgrade for the cost (all said and done, 1k is still 1k/a lot) and not a waste of money, then that's all I need
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Thanks Takumi for the review.

Ideally I'd like the rears but I have heard that the 86 doesn't need a rear kit...that and I am not too keen about removing the dust shields and/or messing with the ebrake myself.

I have a SARD rear wing paired with a verus front splitter that gives some downforce...I'm not sure if that makes a difference in the bias as I hear the stage 1/2 kits shift the bias frontward.
Ebrake is all internal drum so you dont need to modify that. I removed my back plates a long time ago so I dont know about modifying that.

The rear sport kit moves bias to the back. Which is preferred. Check out this LINK


I think you have the idea tho. Its a good kit for the money. Perfect for a budget conscious track nut.
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As long as this kit is a large improvement from OEM, reliable, and truly 'worth' the upgrade for the cost (all said and done, 1k is still 1k/a lot) and not a waste of money, then that's all I need
The two reasons to get this kit are thermal capacity and cost savings. It's a nice upgrade in both those respects: 1) I haven't been able to fade these brakes over 25-30 min track sessions, and 2) BP20 pads are $80/set and replacement centric rotors are $82/ea. If you track a lot, it'll save you money over the long run. As @Takumi788 mentioned, it's a perfect kit for a budget-conscious track nut.

But if you're not encountering brake fade and/or you don't go through pads and rotors frequently, you may be better off using the OEM setup with good brake pads and ducting.
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Thanks all,

So for stage 1, what front brake pads should I get for street and track each (or hybrid if any)? And for rear oem, whats the best pad for street and track (or hybrid)? Currently have ferodo ds 2500 in oem set up

Obviously would like to be as close to stock bias as possible for all set ups
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What ever you put in the front, you want a slightly more aggressive pad in the back. The RR guys reference winmax w5's in the back of that gives you an idea.

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Anyone else experience soft pedal feel and excessive squealing? Any solutions?

Is the upgrade better than stock or do you sometimes miss stock?
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Anyone else experience soft pedal feel and excessive squealing? Any solutions?



Is the upgrade better than stock or do you sometimes miss stock?
I have the bp-20s and mine squeal pretty bad only at low speeds. The kit did not come with shims so I am going to clean out the caliper and add the shims and grease but I don't think it will work. My suggestion is to look up who makes pads for the wilwood caliper size and just get a credit for the bp-10s/20s and order without pads. Also if you are getting any kits that use the 1 peice rotors I would recommend getting your own rotors as well. They use DBA which add alot to the cost. Centric now has parts for both front and rear kits that are much cheaper.

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Hmm, why not leave rotors but just rebed them with street pads (or with track pads, when switching to them prior track)?
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I was told by RR customer support that only BP pads fit the stage but evidently from this thread you can fit other pads. Is this true? Any fitment issues? Does 7416 fit stage 1 or 7420 pads?
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I was told by RR customer support that only BP pads fit the stage but evidently from this thread you can fit other pads. Is this true? Any fitment issues? Does 7416 fit stage 1 or 7420 pads?
I just researched this pretty thoroughly. 7416 and 7420 are the same pad shape, but the 7420 pad is thicker (0.8 instead of 0.65) which is indicated in the part numbers. I just ordered DTC60 for the Stage 1 front and Sport Performance rear (7912 pad shape). If you Google around you can find plenty of pads made by other manufacturers that fit the same pad shape.

To answer your question, the 7416 fits stage 1 since stage 1 uses the forged super narrow calipers and needs a thinner pad.

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I just researched this pretty thoroughly. 7416 and 7420 are the same pad shape, but the 7420 pad is thicker (0.8 instead of 0.65) which is indicated in the part numbers. I just ordered DTC60 for the Stage 1 front and Sport Performance rear (7412 pad shape). If you Google around you can find plenty of pads made by other manufacturers that fit the same pad shape.
Why two different compounds?
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