Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[Area86]

So my Gates Racing Blue Belt started to shred and separate while I was driving home from work last night. Out of nowhere I start hearing a loud smacking sound from under the hood so I immediatly pull over to see what was going on and about 12 inches of the outer rib was completely separated. The belt has only 600 miles on it so i wasn't expecting that to happen. The only thing I can think of that would cause that is the pulley I bought from FA20club had some minor knicks on it when I received it. They are minor enough that I didn't think it would become an issue and I didnt want to wait a week for another one to arrive. I should have just said something to FA20club when I received it. Im going to still send them an email to see what they can do. Do you guys think anything else would have caused it?? Here are some pics of the pulley and damage to the belt.

[CK_Bladesmith]

^ I would have taken a file to that shit and called it a day^

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

After 10 hrs of installation of the FA20club intercooler kit (was not a bolt on job) we strapped her down to the dyno and ran the non-intercooled tune to see what the intercooler does on its own.

Very dissappointed to see it lost about 15 whp. I am guessing this is due to there being a restriction now in the air stream. This data is contrary to what Bill has seen in the past. Maybe he can chime in here.

Loaded up @DeliciousTuning new ROM he made for me that added 5 degrees of timing and made 230 whp. This is very preliminary but I thought it would be interesting to show you guys what happens when you install this intercooler and how much whp 5 degrees of timing advance gave (30 whp). Will be working with Bill to polish the tune hoping to match or exceed innovate's results of 244 whp considering they didn't have a 70 mm pulley, header and exhaust....

Graph shows the non-intercooler tune vs. the advanced timing tune. Both runs on 91 with the intercooler installed.



Tach signal was having issues all night so we lost some data on some runs.

In response to the loss of power, I would assume this is due to the fact that this is a different tune from what we saw the increase. The increase in power of about 10 whp was seen on a completely stock vehicle running the Innovate 75mm package and shelf map. When adding in the intercooler there was an increase in power due to the engine increasing the timing advance at higher RPM's.

On your specific setups we made sure to make the tune extremely durable for the track and heavy racing conditions in cold and hot conditions. So the timing will not add on its own with the intercooler. But this is why you saw an increase in power with the tuning adjustment. It is really dependant on the tune.

If you want something a little more specific, say track tune for endurance or long sessions then I will accommodate and adjust accordingly. At the end of the day it is about making the car reliable for the conditions it will be used in.

Though next will be seeing about making more power now that you have the intercooler on there. Hope you sent some logs.

Cheers,
William Knose

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by cantholdanymore

75mm is the stock pulley. What more power? swap for the 70mm

My tests have shown the 70mm pulley will not make more power than the 75mm pulley, non-intercooled, on 91 octane. This is a factor of low octane, too much heat and too much boost which translates to timing being pulled.

I am in the process of testing the 70mm pulley with an intercooler to see if it even makes more power than the 75mm. We shall see.

Ran the intercooled 70mm (230whp) hard at Laguna Seca all day yesterday for 5 sessions of 20 mins each. Happy to report the power stayed consistent throughout each session! Total blast. My IAT relocation kit is not hooked up yet unfortunately so no IAT data. I'll post a video later of myself trying to chase a camaro SS (and passing a mustang) up the hill lol. I thought that would be entertaining to see.

[lbroskee]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

My tests have shown the 70mm pulley will not make more power than the 75mm pulley, non-intercooled, on 91 octane. This is a factor of too much heat and too much boost which translates to timing being pulled.

I am in the process of testing the 70mm pulley with an intercooler to see if it even makes more power than the 75mm. We shall see.

Ran the intercooled 70mm (230whp) hard at Laguna Seca all day yesterday for 5 sessions of 20 mins each. Happy to report the power stayed consistent throughout each session! Total blast. My IAT relocation kit is not hooked up yet unfortunately so no IAT data. I'll post a video later of myself trying to chase a camaro SS (and passing a mustang) up the hill lol. I thought that would be entertaining to see.

then whats the point of the smaller pulley if we get no gains?

[CK_Bladesmith]

Read this part again thoroughly. "My tests have shown the 70mm pulley will not make more power than the 75mm pulley, non-intercooled, on 91 octane. This is a factor of too much heat and too much boost which translates to timing being pulled"

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by lbroskee

then whats the point of the smaller pulley if we get no gains?

70mm + E85 has shown big gains. You gotta run higher octane.

[calispec]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

My tests have shown the 70mm pulley will not make more power than the 75mm pulley, non-intercooled, on 91 octane. This is a factor of low octane, too much heat and too much boost which translates to timing being pulled.

I am in the process of testing the 70mm pulley with an intercooler to see if it even makes more power than the 75mm. We shall see.

Ran the intercooled 70mm (230whp) hard at Laguna Seca all day yesterday for 5 sessions of 20 mins each. Happy to report the power stayed consistent throughout each session! Total blast. My IAT relocation kit is not hooked up yet unfortunately so no IAT data. I'll post a video later of myself trying to chase a camaro SS (and passing a mustang) up the hill lol. I thought that would be entertaining to see.

I have seen the same. I am on 93. The tunes were by two different people so that could have been a factor too but still. Pretty interesting. I am curious about what you find with the intercooler. Check out my build thread for some Virtual Dyno pulls. Probably not the most accurate but all conditions were the same.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

In response to the loss of power, I would assume this is due to the fact that this is a different tune from what we saw the increase. The increase in power of about 10 whp was seen on a completely stock vehicle running the Innovate 75mm package and shelf map. When adding in the intercooler there was an increase in power due to the engine increasing the timing advance at higher RPM's.

On your specific setups we made sure to make the tune extremely durable for the track and heavy racing conditions in cold and hot conditions. So the timing will not add on its own with the intercooler. But this is why you saw an increase in power with the tuning adjustment. It is really dependant on the tune.

If you want something a little more specific, say track tune for endurance or long sessions then I will accommodate and adjust accordingly. At the end of the day it is about making the car reliable for the conditions it will be used in.

Though next will be seeing about making more power now that you have the intercooler on there. Hope you sent some logs.

Cheers,
William Knose

Who let you out of the lab? We were promised Innovate stage 2 kit, with intercooler, and 69mm pulley results....

[Mr. Jack]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

My tests have shown the 70mm pulley will not make more power than the 75mm pulley, non-intercooled, on 91 octane. This is a factor of low octane, too much heat and too much boost which translates to timing being pulled.

I am in the process of testing the 70mm pulley with an intercooler to see if it even makes more power than the 75mm. We shall see.

Thanks
Here we have 95 - 98 - 100 RON (we don't have E85)
I usally use 98ron in my car.. maybe 70mm pulley will be a better choice? (not considering the intercooler)

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Ran the intercooled 70mm (230whp) hard at Laguna Seca all day yesterday for 5 sessions of 20 mins each. Happy to report the power stayed consistent throughout each session! Total blast. My IAT relocation kit is not hooked up yet unfortunately so no IAT data. I'll post a video later of myself trying to chase a camaro SS (and passing a mustang) up the hill lol. I thought that would be entertaining to see.

You have also a oil radiator?

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jack

Thanks
Here we have 95 - 98 - 100 RON (we don't have E85)
I usally use 98ron in my car.. maybe 70mm pulley will be a better choice? (not considering the intercooler)



You have also a oil radiator?

98 RON is the same as 93 in the US. I'd probably stick with the 75mm unless intercooled.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Mr. Jack

Thanks
Here we have 95 - 98 - 100 RON (we don't have E85)
I usally use 98ron in my car.. maybe 70mm pulley will be a better choice? (not considering the intercooler)



You have also a oil radiator?

That is the same as 93. Stick with the 75.

Yes I have an oil cooler and larger radiator.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Ran the intercooled 70mm (230whp) hard at Laguna Seca all day yesterday for 5 sessions of 20 mins each. Happy to report the power stayed consistent throughout each session! Total blast. My IAT relocation kit is not hooked up yet unfortunately so no IAT data. I'll post a video later of myself trying to chase a camaro SS (and passing a mustang) up the hill lol. I thought that would be entertaining to see.

That is what I like to hear. Consistent, reliable and fun.

Cheers,
William Knose

[1010110]

I had the innovate intercooler kit installed today at Speedware Motorsports in Redmond, WA. When I picked up the car the mechanics couldn't stop talking about the quality of the kit. They were raving about how each part was individually bagged and clearly marked. The perfect fit of the heat exchanger and hoses really impressed them as well. They said the install couldn't have been smoother. I had a similar experience when I initially installed the supercharger. Kudos to @InnovateMotorsports and @mines13 for this quality kit.

While they were in there I also had them replace the grey plastic fittings (EVAP and brake booster) with brass since the included fittings were stripped and moving freely. Everything is secure back there now :-) Now I just need a catch can.

I can't wait to get the intercooler tune from Bill @DeliciousTuning to see what this baby can do. I'm also thinking there may be a smaller pulley in my future.