Which off-the-shelf Supercharger would you like to see CSG test? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

CSG Mike · 10-29-2013, 01:01 PM

Please post the reasons for your selection. This is strictly for off-the-shelf setups ONLY.

CSG now has a 2nd BRZ, courtesy of @HeubergerMotors.

The setup would not sponsored, and would be purchased by CSG for testing purposes. We will be comprehensively testing for street/daily driving, canyoning, and attempt to break more records at the track with the chosen setup. We've put over 30,000 miles on our first BRZ, and we plan on putting just as many on the second. We've already gone through several stock engines on 100% stock tunes; I'd venture a guess that we'll stres the cars even harder with the FI setup.

We currently hold the records for, and will be testing the new FI setup at all of the following:

Streets of Willow Springs CW, any FRS/BRZ
Streets of Willow Springs CCW, any FRS/BRZ
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 13CW, naturally aspirated FRS/BRZ (overall FRS/BRZ record owned by Evasive Motorsports)
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 13CCW, any FRS/BRZ
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 1CW, any FRS/BRZ
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 1CCW, any FRS/BRZ
Willow Springs International Raceway, any FRS/BRZ
Chuckwalla Valley Raceway, any FRS/BRZ
Auto Club Speedway, naturally aspirated FRS/BRZ (overall FRS/BRZ record owned by Robispec)
Horse Thief Mile, any FRS/BRZ

*edit*

I didn't realize there would be so much interest in seeing a FI kit really being put through rigorous testing.

I'd like to personally thank all of you for supporting CSG. Your patronage is what pays for the parts that we test, along with all of the fuel, tires, brake pads, and maintenance for the car. This, in turn, allows me to continue driving their car (and having a ton of fun in the process); there's no way I'd ever be able to get this much seat time on my own.

While I am strongly opinionated, when it comes to informational posts, I try to keep the facts separated from my opinions.

pheoxs · 10-29-2013, 01:35 PM

I would like to see you guys run the Vortech setup. The biggest reason is they have more units out there than all the other supercharger kits so far and would benefit the community the most. It would be great to see how one holds up on the track so current / future owners can know what to expect down the road.

xjohnx · 10-29-2013, 01:47 PM

God I would love to see you guys put the Innovate through the track torture tests. Pretty please?

King Tut · 10-29-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx

God I would love to see you guys put the Innovate through the track torture tests. Pretty please?

I thought robispec already was? I voted Kraftwerks because I like to be a trouble maker.

xjohnx · 10-29-2013, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut

I thought robispec already was? I voted Kraftwerks because I like to be a trouble maker.

He has definitely put it through its paces, but i haven't seen much info posted about it like CSG would do.

CSG Mike · 10-29-2013, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut

I thought robispec already was? I voted Kraftwerks because I like to be a trouble maker.

Robispec runs a custom tune on E85. We'd be running the off-the-shelf CARB tune on 91 octane.

R2 · 10-29-2013, 02:14 PM

The Innovate kit is the black sheep in this comparison being it is the only PD system. As such, I think we would get the best value to the community with you testing it as compared to the others. Also, since your opinions are quite highly regarded around here as being accurate and factual, I would like to hear your comments on its driveability both on and off the track and any effects of its added mass to the handling of the car.

enwave · 10-29-2013, 02:22 PM

Innovate -- no question. Really want to hear how the positive displacement method performs. If I go FI, I want it to feel as close to NA as possible, and so far PD might be the best way to do that.

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sw20kosh · 10-29-2013, 02:34 PM

Innovate! And lets get some heat soak data too with a true IAT post-blower. It would be great to see where the intake/oil/water temperatures reach steady state.

This car will be running an oil cooler and/or bigger radiator?

Dustin · 10-29-2013, 02:59 PM

Innovate for sure. There have been plenty of Vortech reviews and we have a good idea of what can be accomplished with them. The stage 2 Innovate is still somewhat unknown territory and there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what this kit produces.

CSG Mike · 10-29-2013, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin

Innovate for sure. There have been plenty of Vortech reviews and we have a good idea of what can be accomplished with them. The stage 2 Innovate is still somewhat unknown territory and there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what this kit produces.

Has the Vortech really been tested in harsh conditions? I know it's perfectly fine for street driving, but I don't think I've really seen one being pushed hard at the track.

xjohnx · 10-29-2013, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Has the Vortech really been tested in harsh conditions? I know it's perfectly fine for street driving, but I don't think I've really seen one being pushed hard at the track.

FT86speedfactory has a vortech car that i believe they said will be seeing lots of track duty

cantholdanymore · 10-29-2013, 03:29 PM

Innovative with stock everything else. I'll just add extra 10hp to compensate for cali gas

Zach3794 · 10-29-2013, 03:30 PM

I'd also like to see a stage 2 innovate being pushed at the track. We know it does great on E85 as per Robispec's testing...but I want to see how it will handle being on these hot california tracks running our piss gas.

View Poll Results: Which off-the-shelf FI kit would you like to see CSG test?
Vortech Complete system	26	13.07%
Innovate Stage 2 Complete	98	49.25%
Jackson Racing Factory Tuned	36	18.09%
Kraftwerks Fully Tuned	39	19.60%
Voters: 199. You may not vote on this poll

10-29-2013, 01:01 PM	#1
CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,527 Thanks: 8,916 Thanked 14,174 Times in 6,833 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	Which off-the-shelf Supercharger would you like to see CSG test? Please post the reasons for your selection. This is strictly for off-the-shelf setups ONLY. CSG now has a 2nd BRZ, courtesy of @HeubergerMotors. The setup would not sponsored, and would be purchased by CSG for testing purposes. We will be comprehensively testing for street/daily driving, canyoning, and attempt to break more records at the track with the chosen setup. We've put over 30,000 miles on our first BRZ, and we plan on putting just as many on the second. We've already gone through several stock engines on 100% stock tunes; I'd venture a guess that we'll stres the cars even harder with the FI setup. We currently hold the records for, and will be testing the new FI setup at all of the following: Streets of Willow Springs CW, any FRS/BRZ Streets of Willow Springs CCW, any FRS/BRZ Buttonwillow Raceway Park 13CW, naturally aspirated FRS/BRZ (overall FRS/BRZ record owned by Evasive Motorsports) Buttonwillow Raceway Park 13CCW, any FRS/BRZ Buttonwillow Raceway Park 1CW, any FRS/BRZ Buttonwillow Raceway Park 1CCW, any FRS/BRZ Willow Springs International Raceway, any FRS/BRZ Chuckwalla Valley Raceway, any FRS/BRZ Auto Club Speedway, naturally aspirated FRS/BRZ (overall FRS/BRZ record owned by Robispec) Horse Thief Mile, any FRS/BRZ edit I didn't realize there would be so much interest in seeing a FI kit really being put through rigorous testing. I'd like to personally thank all of you for supporting CSG. Your patronage is what pays for the parts that we test, along with all of the fuel, tires, brake pads, and maintenance for the car. This, in turn, allows me to continue driving their car (and having a ton of fun in the process); there's no way I'd ever be able to get this much seat time on my own. While I am strongly opinionated, when it comes to informational posts, I try to keep the facts separated from my opinions. Last edited by CSG Mike; 10-29-2013 at 05:40 PM.

10-29-2013, 01:35 PM	#2
pheoxs Hold my beer n watch this Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: '14 Fiesta ST / '91 240sx Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 782 Thanks: 214 Thanked 301 Times in 177 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would like to see you guys run the Vortech setup. The biggest reason is they have more units out there than all the other supercharger kits so far and would benefit the community the most. It would be great to see how one holds up on the track so current / future owners can know what to expect down the road. __________________ Nolan

10-29-2013, 02:22 PM	#8
enwave That headunit though... Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited SSM Location: Provo, UT Posts: 520 Thanks: 304 Thanked 297 Times in 185 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Innovate -- no question. Really want to hear how the positive displacement method performs. If I go FI, I want it to feel as close to NA as possible, and so far PD might be the best way to do that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 2013 BRZ Limited SSM 6AT Phantom ESC 1.5Dump + E85 + OFH + Q300 Eibach Pro-Kit + Michelin PSS (stock size)

10-29-2013, 02:34 PM	#9
sw20kosh Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Black FR-S Location: SF Posts: 3,030 Thanks: 881 Thanked 2,014 Times in 990 Posts Mentioned: 153 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Innovate! And lets get some heat soak data too with a true IAT post-blower. It would be great to see where the intake/oil/water temperatures reach steady state. This car will be running an oil cooler and/or bigger radiator? __________________ 86DRIVE Challenge

10-29-2013, 01:47 PM	#3
xjohnx Grip>Slip Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 13 SWP BRZ Ltd - Innovate Powered! Location: RVA Posts: 3,563 Thanks: 656 Thanked 1,716 Times in 1,031 Posts Mentioned: 45 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	God I would love to see you guys put the Innovate through the track torture tests. Pretty please?

10-29-2013, 02:14 PM	#7
R2 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: Sask., Canada Posts: 250 Thanks: 84 Thanked 89 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	The Innovate kit is the black sheep in this comparison being it is the only PD system. As such, I think we would get the best value to the community with you testing it as compared to the others. Also, since your opinions are quite highly regarded around here as being accurate and factual, I would like to hear your comments on its driveability both on and off the track and any effects of its added mass to the handling of the car.

10-29-2013, 02:59 PM	#10
Dustin Twin Screw You Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 Supercharged Whiteout FR-S Location: Burleson, Texas Posts: 1,231 Thanks: 464 Thanked 620 Times in 332 Posts Mentioned: 37 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Innovate for sure. There have been plenty of Vortech reviews and we have a good idea of what can be accomplished with them. The stage 2 Innovate is still somewhat unknown territory and there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what this kit produces. __________________ My 86 Differential and Ring & Pinion DIY

10-29-2013, 03:29 PM	#13
cantholdanymore Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: FR-S Very Hot Lava Location: VA Posts: 95 Thanks: 71 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Innovative with stock everything else. I'll just add extra 10hp to compensate for cali gas

10-29-2013, 03:30 PM	#14
Zach3794 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S, Raven, Manual Location: Vista, CA Posts: 396 Thanks: 81 Thanked 143 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd also like to see a stage 2 innovate being pushed at the track. We know it does great on E85 as per Robispec's testing...but I want to see how it will handle being on these hot california tracks running our piss gas.

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