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Old 06-28-2022, 05:39 PM   #29
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The bulk haven't. It is just that car guys tend to take the highest spec cars and use them as the examples.
If you listen to most the Mustang Shelby GT500 is the common production model instead of about 1% of the ones on the road.
I'm actually using my wife's Mini Cooper 3 cylinder base model lol. It's got more torque and lower in the rpm range so I can just squirt past people almost instantly. Doing that in my car is so slow in comparison, yet it has 70 more hp. The 86 makes a lot of noise and it's exciting, but it's painfully slow. In fact when I moved from my 2007 Cooper S with 2 busted cylinders and 132K to the 86, I couldn't tell the difference in speed. Maybe in 2nd gear from 5000-7400 rpm. But that's it. I absolutely can't wait to turbo/supercharge it
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Old 06-28-2022, 05:45 PM   #30
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Before buying any car considere this before. Hint: Pick only TWO

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Old 06-28-2022, 05:47 PM   #31
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When I look at 0 to 60 times from Car and Driver for a 2016 accord it's 5.6 sec for the V6 and 7.0 sec for the 4 cylinder. Base Camry's are a bit slower at around 8 seconds with the V6 at 5.8 sec. Our cars have a 0 to 60 of 7.1 seconds with a stick if you dump the clutch you can get 6.3 seconds and around 8 sec with an auto. In real world testing an accord is probably beating us most of the time. If you have an auto you will match a base Camry.



And sure everyone will define fast and slow differently but when comparing the twins to other sports cars that people cross shop with the twins are slower than most.



Ecoboost Mustang - 5 seconds
V6 Camaro - 5.3 seconds
WRX - 5.3 seconds
Civic Type R - 5.4 seconds
Golf GTI - 5.9 seconds
Miata - 5.8 seconds
Ford Focus RS - 4 seconds
Honda Civic Si - 6.8 seconds


Using the best case 0 to 60 time the twins only beat the Honda Si. It's at the bottom of the list so it's slower than most sports cars that it is cross shopped with which is ok since that is not what the car was meant for. What it lacks in acceleration it makes up for in handling.
And that list makes up a teenny tiny segment of the cars on the road and really a totally different class. The list of "slower" cars than the Twins will have several hundred entries. The AVERAGE time for cars is around 8 seconds so the twins are above average no matter how you look at it.

And I will point out that all those times are the best squeezed out of them as well.
This argument that the times for the twins have to be forced but every other single listed time is a just a leisurely press of the pedal and off you go is a farce.
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I'm actually using my wife's Mini Cooper 3 cylinder base model lol. It's got more torque and lower in the rpm range so I can just squirt past people almost instantly. Doing that in my car is so slow in comparison, yet it has 70 more hp. The 86 makes a lot of noise and it's exciting, but it's painfully slow. In fact when I moved from my 2007 Cooper S with 2 busted cylinders and 132K to the 86, I couldn't tell the difference in speed. Maybe in 2nd gear from 5000-7400 rpm. But that's it. I absolutely can't wait to turbo/supercharge it
YA sure thing.
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Before buying any car considere this before. Hint: Pick only TWO

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Think a few more criteria should be added, like handling, aesthetics, technology possibly.

Because a 370z is only about $1k more, and way faster. And scored way higher in reliability.
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Think a few more criteria should be added, like handling, aesthetics, technology possibly.

Because a 370z is only about $1k more, and way faster. And scored way higher in reliability.
Gas mileage, insurance, maintenance in general is higher than GT86. The only 370z i could buy is in midnight blue, touring trim, MT so I can "replicate" the devil z.
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Gas mileage, insurance, maintenance in general is higher than GT86. The only 370z i could buy is in midnight blue, touring trim, MT so I can "replicate" the devil z.
Yeah so more than 3 categories to consider for the choose 2 scenario.

20mpg combined vs 24mpg combined for manuals, 22 vs 26 autos.
Insurance was basically the same for 2020 370z base vs 2020 brz base.
Maintenance is basically the same as well, especially since I diy everything.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:25 PM   #36
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Twins can accelerate it's just easier to get caught with your pants down unless you are in the right gear.
It's the complete opposite of how most modern tiny turbo engines are tuned.
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Twins can accelerate
Correct, just not quickly or “fastly”
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I guess it also depends on where you are and how fast normal traffic accelerates. In my area in Ohio I can keep up with traffic while shifting at 3000 RPM and the throttle only partially depressed. If I'm first at a stoplight and accelerate briskly to 40 MPH shifting at 5000 RPM I leave traffic far behind.
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And that list makes up a teenny tiny segment of the cars on the road and really a totally different class. The list of "slower" cars than the Twins will have several hundred entries. The AVERAGE time for cars is around 8 seconds so the twins are above average no matter how you look at it.

And I will point out that all those times are the best squeezed out of them as well.
This argument that the times for the twins have to be forced but every other single listed time is a just a leisurely press of the pedal and off you go is a farce.

I think you're missing my point. Sports car enthusiast are comparing the twins to other sports cars or somewhat sporty cars. When you compare the twins to other sports cars in a similar price bracket it's at the bottom of the list well below average.



Also, the reason I pointed out the twins really had to push for a 6.3 sec 0 to 60 is because that's what I remember the guy who got the time said he had to do. Even so it's a moot point because it was still the second slowest with its best time.



So if you have a manual you will be slightly faster than base model volume seller cars e.g. Accords and Camrys. If you have an auto I'll be just as slow as them or slower. The twins in stock form are not fast when compared to any modern sports car or even slightly sporty car.
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Yeah so more than 3 categories to consider for the choose 2 scenario.

20mpg combined vs 24mpg combined for manuals, 22 vs 26 autos.
Insurance was basically the same for 2020 370z base vs 2020 brz base.
Maintenance is basically the same as well, especially since I diy everything.
Don't forget tyres
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Yeah, definitely not in favor of the brz/86
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the car is slower than most sports cars for sure. it was never meant to be a drag racer, it's a momentum canyon carver.
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