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funwheeldrive · 07-17-2018, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by R_E_L

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ylinder-supra/

Looks like Tada finally confirmed the 2.0T option. Now if only we could get that with a manual...

I wonder how much the 4 cylinder version will be? 265hp and 3100lbs. Possible for a 38kish base price?

NARFALICIOUS · 07-17-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rvoll

If this is the new GT86, the current Subaru version will be dropped. Why else name it "GT86"?

Not sure what BS you are believing and spreading.

R_E_L · 07-17-2018, 01:06 PM

My hope is that with a 4 cyl it may squeak in under 3000lbs. A tunable turbo, under 3000lbs, under 40K, with a manual would be enticing IMO. One can dream.

funwheeldrive · 07-17-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rvoll

Just saw an article by Road and Track that indicated the new Toyota Supra will come out also in a smaller, lighter, better handling, 4 cylinder version internally known as the GT86. It will have a BMW 4cyl turbo engine and a ZF transmission. If this is the new GT86, the current Subaru version will be dropped. Why else name it "GT86"? Given what we've heard about pricing on the 6 cylinder version, I expect the pricing on this to be in the mid to high 30's with higher end trims in the mid-40's.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ws&date=071718

Why would they change the name of the car to GT86 if its a Supra with a 4 cylinder engine? Doesn't make sense.

rvoll · 07-17-2018, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

Not sure what BS you are believing and spreading.

Only facts. Did you look at the referenced material or just post this remark? The material said "Supra (GT86;J29)" If Toyota were to keep the Twin 86, why would they also use that designation for the Supra? Think about it....

If you think this logic is wrong, please tell all of us your analysis....

funwheeldrive · 07-17-2018, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by R_E_L

My hope is that with a 4 cyl it may squeak in under 3000lbs. A tunable turbo, under 3000lbs, under 40K, with a manual would be enticing IMO. One can dream.

I'm holding my breath with you brother. I wouldnt mind picking up something like that in a couple years after all the growing pains get sorted out.

rvoll · 07-17-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Why would they change the name of the car to GT86 if its a Supra with a 4 cylinder engine? Doesn't make sense.

This is a manufacturing designation, not the name of the car. You're right, it wouldn't make sense to use this name. If I were to hazard a guess, they would call it "Supra" with some sort of trim designation. Perhaps, this will be the base Supra and the 6 cyl model with be called the Supra GT. Who knows?

funwheeldrive · 07-17-2018, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rvoll

Only facts. Did you look at the referenced material or just post this remark? The material said "Supra (GT86;J29)" If Toyota were to keep the Twin 86, why would they also use that designation for the Supra? Think about it....

If you think this logic is wrong, please tell all of us your analysis....

I didn't see that part before. I see where youre coming from now.

Summerwolf · 07-17-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Why would they change the name of the car to GT86 if its a Supra with a 4 cylinder engine? Doesn't make sense.

They did make a celica supra in the past.

WolfpackS2k · 07-17-2018, 01:29 PM

Nothing up to this point has given us any strong indication that this engine is bespoke in any way. Information from Toyota employees has been widely inconsistent and illogical. Perhaps some of that is due to poor translations.

Doesn't really matter though. No manual no care. Would rather boost a BRZ.

FRSBRZGT86FAN · 07-17-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rvoll

Just saw an article by Road and Track that indicated the new Toyota Supra will come out also in a smaller, lighter, better handling, 4 cylinder version internally known as the GT86. It will have a BMW 4cyl turbo engine and a ZF transmission. If this is the new GT86, the current Subaru version will be dropped. Why else name it "GT86"? Given what we've heard about pricing on the 6 cylinder version, I expect the pricing on this to be in the mid to high 30's with higher end trims in the mid-40's.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ws&date=071718

It may be a internal company naming error, J29 for sure is the name of the supra.

Also the japan times in april published some rumors saying the next gen 86 will be 2021 and powered by the FA24. Also subaru and toyota relations were still strong.

This is definitely a lower tier supra using the B series bmw 4 cylinder.....

funwheeldrive · 07-17-2018, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Nothing up to this point has given us any strong indication that this engine is bespoke in any way. Information from Toyota employees has been widely inconsistent and illogical. Perhaps some of that is due to poor translations.

Doesn't really matter though. No manual no care. Would rather boost a BRZ.

It's not like its impossible for Toyota to offer a manual option after the first year.

PandaSPUR · 07-17-2018, 01:43 PM

Kinda interesting... so Toyota will have the GT86 as the lowest end, then 4cyl Supra in the middle, and topped off with the 6cyl Supra.

If that is actually the plan, I dont see it lasting very long. Theyre going to have to cut either the GT86 or 4cyl Supra eventually, no way they'll get enough sales split between those two models.

Again this is assuming all the price rumors are right too.

WolfpackS2k · 07-17-2018, 01:45 PM

They say hope springs eternal

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