Toyota EV. The savior of stick shift and rear wheel drive?

[Stigmaru]

Toyota files patent for electric car with manual gearbox

https://insideevs.com/news/566896/to...-transmission/

[Blighty]

If they do go ahead with it, it perhaps helps manual gearboxes remain relevant to new generations, which will make _real_ manuals more desirable at the end of the day.

I would be interesting to see the response to it, if they do indeed make it happen, which is a considerable if.

[Yoshoobaroo]

I’m here for it.

Edit: oh no it’s emulated. Damn. I was hoping it was an outrunner style motor (more TQ, less RPM), with an actual gearbox.

[soundman98]

patents mean nothing. it's just toyota protecting/pay-walling an idea from everyone else.

show me the production timeline

[Stigmaru]

Originally Posted by soundman98

patents mean nothing. it's just toyota protecting/pay-walling an idea from everyone else.

show me the production timeline

Apple has made you jaded

[CincyJohn]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I’m here for it.

Edit: oh no it’s emulated. Damn. I was hoping it was an outrunner style motor (more TQ, less RPM), with an actual gearbox.

Didn’t read the patent application because I don’t need to bring any more work home with me, but you can’t get caught up in assuming what companies file for in their patents with what they are actually planning on commercializing in the near future (or ever). I see it all the time with the reporters that report on new Apple patents.

As for the idea, simulated defeats the point we were talking about in the other thread. It’s the PHYSICAL connection to the drivetrain/transmission that matter. Not to mention other things like feathering the throttle, slipping 1st just before hitting the throttle, etc.

In other words, I think I will be ready to call it quits on a manual at the same time they make me call it quits on ICE.

For the record, don’t hate electric and look forward to the acceleration when I eventually, I am sure, will own one. But I will hang onto ICE as long as I can and as long as I do, it will be a manual.

[EAGLE5]

When ICE cars came out, they made a button that dropped horse shit on the road behind the car.

Oh, no they didn't. People back then were less stupid.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Stigmaru

Apple has made you jaded

who's apple?

this is just ford, and just the first 10 links that a search popped up with. could do this with any big company, especially auto makers. now name how many current production vehicles any of these systems currently exist as an option in any way/shape/form.

https://www.motor1.com/news/562430/f...-steps-patent/

https://futurism.com/ford-files-pate...verts-unicycle

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/26/fo...us-police-car/

https://www.hotcars.com/ford-files-p...into-your-car/

https://electrek.co/2020/05/15/ford-...ng-car-shield/

https://www.maverickchat.com/threads...ruck-bed.1890/

[humdizzle]

Originally Posted by CincyJohn

As for the idea, simulated defeats the point we were talking about in the other thread. It’s the PHYSICAL connection to the drivetrain/transmission that matter. Not to mention other things like feathering the throttle, slipping 1st just before hitting the throttle, etc.

the physical feeling could be simulated. its an electric motor and can deliver 0 to 100% power at the speed of light and simulate any power curve. they can pump in sound to simulate a v8, make the power climb progressively, cut power for a gear change, custom gear ratios, show your "rpms" on the dash etc etc. They could send vibration through the shifter and simulate bogging from not enough throttle

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

the physical feeling could be simulated. its an electric motor and can deliver 0 to 100% power at the speed of light and simulate any power curve. they can pump in sound to simulate a v8, make the power climb progressively, cut power for a gear change, custom gear ratios, show your "rpms" on the dash etc etc. They could send vibration through the shifter and simulate bogging from not enough throttle

Couldn't we just live in the metaverse and skip all of that?

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

When ICE cars came out, they made a button that dropped horse shit on the road behind the car.

Oh, no they didn't. People back then were less stupid.

2 speed gearboxes make perfect sense for EVs. 3 speeds makes sense if the motor is very small, but on a pure EV they won't be. A manual shift lever would IMO be fun but a clutch pedal is not necessary given the electric motor rotor has very low moment of inertia compared to a gasoline engine.

The cool thing about a M/T EV is that you would be rewarded with better regen efficiency if you downshift while braking

[saltywetman]

is there a point though since electric motors don't use gears?

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

2 speed gearboxes make perfect sense for EVs. 3 speeds makes sense if the motor is very small, but on a pure EV they won't be. A manual shift lever would IMO be fun but a clutch pedal is not necessary given the electric motor rotor has very low moment of inertia compared to a gasoline engine.

The cool thing about a M/T EV is that you would be rewarded with better regen efficiency if you downshift while braking

A model S can go from 0 to 200mph, theoretically, and all on one speed. Most EVs can do at least 100. There's no advantage in real world top speed then. There's little advantage to be found in performance. The Model S is one speed and it's the fastest thing out there short of a handful of supercars. Better to handle the engineering in the motor than handle it with the added complexity, cost, maintenance, weight, efficiency loss, and failure points of a transmission. The 2 speed Taycan is less efficient and slower than the Model S, and nobody else has pursued a 2-speed for a reason.

As for regen, the normal limits are the energy the batteries can take in and the comfort of the occupants. With my Model Y and I-Pace, we barely use the actual brakes. On the I-Pace, we rarely max out the available regen that the brake pedal controls.

So, basically, not really.

I am looking forward to the i4 M50. It does regen almost as hard as it accelerates, and it hits 60 in <3.9 seconds. But again, one speed.

[saltywetman]

Adding moving parts for the sake of adding moving parts when there is no huge benefit is just reducing reliability by introduce just another wear item to eventually break. As much as I enjoy traditional manual transmissions, if it's something redundant for electric motors. I'd rather them keep things simple.