2014 86CUP Challenge to NorCal with NCRC

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by RehabJeff86

Time to get dat PMu full sponsorship lol


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Our brake pad budget was pretty ridiculous for the past few years. @CSG Mike wanted to test everything like a kid at Candy Land...

[BRZChix]

i went from Club Racer for the 86s to 999 for my s2k... (while everyone else going from s2k to 86s)

club racer is a good starting point... I loved them but im sure i'll love my 999 on the s2k even more. i sat in so many 86s that run 999 at Thill, Laguna, Buttonwillow, Street, etc. n it is awesome.



Probably need to improve my driving before I get to 999 but im gonna learn it with seat time so here we go... SHARTA 999 team

special thanks to @CSG Mike and @CSG David for that brake pad fund so we don't run pads that doesnt WORKS

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Please enlighten us. We've turned down 7 different FULL sponsorships for brake pads, so that we can purchase 999 for our own use.

I make no claims on X pad is better than Y pad in the realm of high end track pads. I absolutely claim that i'd rather spend sub-$350 rather than $600 when I'm confident that $350 will deliver performance in the same ballpark.

This hobby is expensive enough already w/o getting max bang for your buck... but maybe I just don't ball so hard like some of u guys...

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Please enlighten us.

Since I've been invited to say something enlightening ...

... sorry folks, I got nothing.

I will pose a hypothetical question for everyone to answer for themselves. Given that many of us are grassroots amateurs on a budget, which is more important to you:

Having the best high end brake pads at $600 a pop? or finding a set of pads matching your skill set at $325 (or less) and then using the rest of that $600 budget for 2 add'l track days?

*full disclaimer: I've never priced 999s so I'm going off info in this thread that says they are $600

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by AyJay

Since I've been invited to say something enlightening ...

... sorry folks, I got nothing.

I will pose a hypothetical question for everyone to answer for themselves. Given that many of us are grassroots amateurs on a budget, which is more important to you:

Having the best high end brake pads at $600 a pop? or finding a set of pads matching your skill set at $325 (or less) and then using the rest of that $600 budget for 2 add'l track days?

*full disclaimer: I've never priced 999s so I'm going off info in this thread that says they are $600

I have a hypothetical question in response. which is more important to you:

Getting two extra track days, but having to pull off early every session, and risk going off because you can't stop, or being able to get full enjoyment out of your car, every lap of every session?

There is a requisite skill level necessary to recognize and fully appreciate the 999, but that level is not very high. Even a novice with only a few days of experience will notice the difference.


Why did you get a FRS when a Miata will get you more seat time for 1/5 the price of the car, and 1/4 the price in consumables?

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I have a hypothetical question in response. which is more important to you:

Getting two extra track days, but having to pull off early every session, and risk going off because you can't stop, or being able to get full enjoyment out of your car, every lap of every session?

There is a requisite skill level necessary to recognize and fully appreciate the 999, but that level is not very high. Even a novice with only a few days of experience will notice the difference.

I reject the question as its based on faulty assumption.
1. I've never had to quit a session for safety reasons using a quality 999 competitor set of track pads. I highly doubt you were prematurely ending all your sessions before you found 999s.
2. To suggest other quality pads that aren't 999s are unsafe is ripe with exaggeration.

It is entirely possible that novice drivers will notice differences with the 999. I simply suggested it's up to the individual whether the vastly diminishing returns past the $300-ish mark are worth paying nearly double for. I have my own opinion but that is up to everyone to decide for themselves.

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Why did you get a FRS when a Miata will get you more seat time for 1/5 the price of the car, and 1/4 the price in consumables?

You are absolutely right. My cheap as should be driving a miata.

But following that same logic I assuming you'll be lobbying for a Bugatti cup next year since money is no object.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by AyJay

I reject the question as its based on faulty assumption.
1. I've never had to quit a session for safety reasons using a quality 999 competitor set of track pads. I highly doubt you were prematurely ending all your sessions before you found 999s.
2. To suggest other quality pads that aren't 999s are unsafe is ripe with exaggeration.

It is entirely possible that novice drivers will notice differences with the 999. I simply suggested it's up to the individual whether the vastly diminishing returns past the $300-ish mark are worth paying nearly double for. I have my own opinion but that is up to everyone to decide for themselves.

The assumptions are not faulty.

1. If you are not having to quit a session due to brake fade, then you are not driving to the potential of the car. In your case, perhaps the money would be better spent on some coaching; the ROI on the coaching would be far greater than blindly trying to teach yourself over the course of a few extra track days.

2. I think @sw20kosh's case is a perfect example. He went from a race pad to a different race pad, and simultaneously decreased his rate of pad wear, and eliminated his brake fade problem.


You're focusing too much on published numbers and data sets that are convenient to your argument, and fail to perform the qualitative analysis of why the 999 is a better pad. But, since dollars are the most important metric for you, I'll leave this. In terms of dollars per lap, the 999 is less expensive than Club Racers, because they last longer.

Surely, there MUST be a reason we special order 999 and run them. If budget were no object, CSG would be campaigning a F1 team.

[RehabJeff86]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If budget were no object, CSG would be campaigning a F1 team.

You have Team SHaRTA full financial support.

[garfull]

i can confirm this statement.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Why did you get a FRS when a Miata will get you more seat time for 1/5 the price of the car, and 1/4 the price in consumables?

[BRZChix]

Originally Posted by garfull

i can confirm this statement.

i should get one too... @garfull i like ur miata at Laguna so much... until those straights came up / still awesome driving skill

[garfull]

haha thx. yeah my problem running into traffic in the corners and not the straights.

Originally Posted by BRZChix

i should get one too... @garfull i like ur miata at Laguna so much... until those straights came up / still awesome driving skill

[ddeflyer]

I am confused here, @BRZChix and @garful are both talking about non-86 cars at Laguna. What happened?

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The assumptions are not faulty.

1. If you are not having to quit a session due to brake fade, then you are not driving to the potential of the car. In your case, perhaps the money would be better spent on some coaching; the ROI on the coaching would be far greater than blindly trying to teach yourself over the course of a few extra track days.

2. I think @sw20kosh's case is a perfect example. He went from a race pad to a different race pad, and simultaneously decreased his rate of pad wear, and eliminated his brake fade problem.


You're focusing too much on published numbers and data sets that are convenient to your argument, and fail to perform the qualitative analysis of why the 999 is a better pad. But, since dollars are the most important metric for you, I'll leave this. In terms of dollars per lap, the 999 is less expensive than Club Racers, because they last longer.

Surely, there MUST be a reason we special order 999 and run them. If budget were no object, CSG would be campaigning a F1 team.

Published numbers and data sets? You using a canned response script or something?

If the "numbers" you are referring to are the price point of these brake pads and the "datasets" you are referring to is the anecdotal evidence of my own experience plus the 1000's of satisfied drivers who've never touched a set of 999s, then yes, I am leaning all over "numbers and datasets" to support my opinion.

To pacify you: 999s are the hottest shit known to man. I have no "numbers or datasets" to refute that despite what your script says I said.

To pacify me: I will not be buying a set unless the price gets in line with the competition for reasons stated previously.

For the community: Collect opinions/data from several sources, try things, and make up your own mind about how to spend your $.

The end.