2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Actually, I have had a change of mind on that. You are right that the dimensions can look differently than reality. This is classic optical illusions stuff.



The narrow nose, narrow cabin and round fenders can give the car a narrow look. Whereas, the 86 is more flat and squared off.

This car reminds me a lot of the Dodge Viper. It can look funky, but in person, as Tcoat said, it all seems to come together.

Excellent example!

[zigzagz94]

I like the MKV. Been following it for a long time over on the sister site. Knew from the jump they were going auto only but it's still disappointing knowing that the manual is already developed and available in the 4cyl BMW Z4 20i in other markets.



No manual is just a deal breaker for me. I'll wait to see what the 2nd gen BRZ/86 has in store for us.

[reni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

27 years also gets us:
Massively changed and restrictive emissions control laws.
Substantially increased mileage requirements.
Weight increases required to meet modern crash safety standards.
Weird and wonderful aero designs to protect pedestrians.


All of these apply to most of the world (contrary to popular belief it is not just California) so to pull that power, keep the weight and cost down, while still meeting all the laws of today is actually pretty impressive.

So what? So did every other car and manufacturer. Many of which improved more than 15hp in the same time period

[conehead]

Yay! The styling of Toyota with the reliability of BMW all wrapped in to one car, just like everyone was asking for!

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by conehead

Yay! The styling of Toyota with the reliability of BMW all wrapped in to one car, just like everyone was asking for!

Does anybody have any actual data on reliability? And don’t show me some JD Power and Associates award. Looking for solid evidence like higher recalls or something.

I mean, I would expect more maintenance with a luxury brand like BMW, and I would expect more things to break because there are more things, and those things are more complex. I would expect BMWs to be leased more often than owned, and I would expect worse care from leasees than from owners, so I would expect higher failure rates from poor maintenance. I have also heard BMWs are aggressively tuned, so I can imagine more issues than other “reliable” brands.

[Atmo]

The reveal was unusual to me not for the car but the presenter. Akio Toyoda is no shrinking violet but his uncharacteristically brash presentation was off putting for an automotive exec. Really, did we need to hear about his great driving ability, masters license and endless hours driving a "used car" at Nurburgring not knowing if he'd survive? Save the drama for the monthly board meetings, Akio, you're no Fernando Alonso.

I'd give him more credit if he instead focused on developing Toyota halo cars internally and maintained shareholder value that's down 10% over the past three years instead of subletting to others and dilute the brand.

Besides, if Supra is all about road performance, shouldn't it be entered in IMSA to complement the Lexus effort instead of NASCAR?

Maybe I'll think differently after driving one but from what I've seen on paper, 86 v2.0, should it happen, has my interest vs. what appears to be a stillborn Supra.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Does anybody have any actual data on reliability?

This place gives a rough indication of number and severity of TSB's, recalls and advisory notices by year, make and model. Interesting to compare almost any Toyota to it's segment competition. Click the Select Your Vehicle Now button.

http://www.alldatadiy.com/

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

This says the weight is 3284. What is all this 3400lbs talk?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-what-we-know/

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

OK, I trust that.

Could be old rumors mixed into the article which was posted today. Either way, I agree the Toyota press release is the thing to trust.

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

could be a non-US model.

or just an old report with rumors. "In its March 2018 issue... Weight: 3284 lbs"


i would trust the US press release

Odd, the EU Supra comes in at 1495kg or 3,295lbs.

https://www.supramkv.com/attachments...7bb-png.11158/

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

See, that is my distrust of internet "journalism". They may be close but not close enough to say "this is what it is/will be". The very fact that they can't even get a basic number correct when it has been officially published is enough to make me doubt everything they write. The fun part is that the other sites will just grab the info from them and the wrong weight will be spread like wildfire and loads of people will scream "it is lighter than they said".

Quite some time ago there was a camera announced that I was interested in.


Two Spanish journos interviewed a couple of officials/techs from the camera company. A feature request question was asked and the tech/engineer dude said something along the lines of "it's possible but we don't know if we will implement it".

It was incredible to see this one point of translated information morph across the web going from one question being replied to (it wasn't really answered) to this feature will be incorporated into the new camera. Of course there was no mention of where this info came from.

[chipmunk]

Headlights look ugly. It looks like the white waxy thing coming out of eyes in the mornings.
The rear would have looked a lot nicer if they replaced that ugly lip with an actual wing like on a Viper or Lotus.

The BRZ/FR-S/86 triplets look so much better!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Excellent example!

Although technically in that example the line segment on the bottom one is a tad bit longer than the one on the top if you consider the point where the line is the same width. If you look at the bottom you can see they cut off the bottom one a little short of where the line narrows....

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Quite some time ago there was a camera announced that I was interested in.


Two Spanish journos interviewed a couple of officials/techs from the camera company. A feature request question was asked and the tech/engineer dude said something along the lines of "it's possible but we don't know if we will implement it".

It was incredible to see this one point of translated information morph across the web going from one question being replied to (it wasn't really answered) to this feature will be incorporated into the new camera. Of course there was no mention of where this info came from.

Let me guess the battery grip?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Have you seen what other cars have a 7:40 time? We really need to wait for an official before we compare, but regardless, why compare a more luxurious, grand touring, sports car to a supped up econo box? The Supra is somewhere between the GT86 and an LC500.

Just to note: a Blitz modified MKIV Supra with 606hp ran the ring in 7:49.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times

Congrats to Honda for running a 7:43, but they supped up an econobox. The two cars aren't in the same class.

And? We shall ignore that it's barely faster than a Civic just because they aren't in the same class? Toyota's premium sports car is just barely faster than a "supped up econobox". And you find that to be a good or acceptable thing? Seriously? If I were Toyota I wouldn't even release that time if it really does run a 7:40 or slower.

And older chassis sucked in comparison to modern chassis. Modern performance cars are much better performance cars than their older versions.

[WolfpackS2k]

Overall, I'm a bit disappointed. I feel like they missed the mark yet again. For the given horsepower and weight I would say the price is about $5000 too high. Given how small the car is, why is it so heavy?! Only 100 lb lighter than the considerably larger BMW M3? Seems odd. I want 3 pedals so this probably won't ever be a consideration, but maybe I'll test drive one at some point. Feel like I need to see one in person before making a judgement about it's appearance, but from the photos I'll say that the hood looks artificially tall. And regardless of seeing one in person, the non-functional door vents are straight up stupid.

And anyone saying that Toyota should have just modified the Lexus RC clearly knows very little about that car. The RC is a heavy mess, thrown together from bits and pieces of 2-3 other car models. It's the last thing you'd want to use for a sports car.

Altogether I have to say that this new Supra makes me appreciate the BRZ/GT86 considerably more that I did previously.