Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Opie

Antibody testing before administering the vaccine, research and testing.

And just how many people actually go out of their way for this test?

[wolffbite]

I'm booked for my first dose tomorrow! It will be pfizer/moderna.

Based on my age I wasn't expecting to be booked until early June, but I live in a "hotspot" so we have been moved up the list.

Have to say I'm quite pumped. Realistically won't change any of my behavior for the next few months but damn does it feel good to finally get to this step.

YEAH SCIENCE!!

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Opie

It's a few pages back, search for it.

Took a look - found nada. I did find a couple of things

From the American Council on Science and Health.

"What we do know is that getting your immunity by contracting COVID-19 is a crapshoot; being vaccinated is exceedingly efficacious and safe. "

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...089v2.full.pdf Pre-print article from U Cal Irvine Med School Study Dated 4/20/21

"We analyzed data from two ongoing serologic surveys, a longitudinal cohort of health care workers (HCW) from the University of California Irvine Medical Center (Orange County, CA, USA), collected from May and December 2020 through March 2021, and a cross sectional county-wide study in July 2020 (actOC; Orange County, CA) and a more focused community study in the city of Santa Ana (Santa Ana Cares; Orange County, CA, USA), collected in December 2020 - in order to compare the antibody responses to
SARS-CoV-2 natural infection and vaccination.

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mRNA vaccines induce higher Ab levels and greater Ab breadth than natural exposure to infection and differences were particularly notable against the RBD domain.

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This result can be interpreted based on immune selection pressure. Importantly, the mRNA vaccine induces a marked cross-reactive response against SARS spike, indicating that the mRNA vaccine adopts a conformation that presents cross-reactive epitopes to the immune system. This effect
of the mRNA vaccine to induce cross-reactivity against diverse CoV strains is
encouraging, providing further evidence that it may be effective against emerging virus variants. "



In lay terms, the vaccines are significantly more effective than natural, infection at generated immunity and may well offer protection against emerging mutations.

You proposed allowing those who can demonstrate immunity to be given a pass/bye/green card/whatever from any vaccine requirement. I think that idea has merit. If the folks who understand immunology can identify a level of immunity markers in the bloodstream that indicate protection, and people can demonstrate that immunity then I would be OK with them going unvaccinated.

The $1m question is, who is going to want to undergo that test. My bet is vaccine resisters are probably not going to be willing to submit to that.

My big problem with the things you post is you don't seem to read them very carefully. Just like the article @AnalogMan posted a while back. You trashed the piece for a variety of reasons. The problem is the article didn't say any of what you criticized it for.

It would be really cool to have an intelligent discussion of all these questions, but we need to all be talking about the same thing.

[Dadhawk]

My son had his second shot on Wednesday. He had COVID in Feb (I think it was Feb). The vaccine kicked his ass. He went from a normal temp and achy to a temp of 102.9F in about an hour. It plateaued for about 30 minutes then fell down to just below 100 until this morning.

He's fine now though. His wife had a similar but lesser reaction a cuople of weeks back when she go her second shot. She had COVID when he did.

[NoHaveMSG]

OSHA in OR has come out and said that if a company mandates employee vaccines, effects from the vaccine are recordable occupational injury incidents.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

My son had his second shot on Wednesday. He had COVID in Feb (I think it was Feb). The vaccine kicked his ass. He went from a normal temp and achy to a temp of 102.9F in about an hour. It plateaued for about 30 minutes then fell down to just below 100 until this morning.

He's fine now though. His wife had a similar but lesser reaction a cuople of weeks back when she go her second shot. She had COVID when he did.

Yeah, I get my second shot tomorrow. The first one was not great, I am expecting the second one to be worse. This weekend is going to be interesting...

[spike021]

My parents just got their 2nd Moderna today. Will see how that goes. They're very much trying to go into it without thinking about possible side effects, lol.

[Capt Spaulding]

Good luck to all vax recipients. I have a good feeling about it.

[Lantanafrs2]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...id-11620419989

[AnalogMan]

Vaccination is the only possible path forward. We in the U.S. have given up on eradication. People are just too selfish, impatient, and ignorant to do what it takes to eliminate the virus (as has more or less been done in Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Bhutan, Nepal, Nigeria, and other nations). It's either get vaccinated ASAP, or the virus wins.

Everyone needs to get vaccinated now, and keep wearing masks and maintaining other safety measures until we are, before variants have a chance to continue to evolve in ways that could render vaccines ineffective. Evolutionary pressures are already selecting for variants less susceptible to vaccines. If this pandemic has shown us anything it’s that the virus always moves much faster than we expect.

Either we do something about the pandemic, or the virus will do something about us. Regardless of beliefs, preferences, or opinions, we would all likely be happier if humans and not the SARS-CoV-2 virus emerge as the dominant species.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

Vaccination is the only possible path forward. We in the U.S. have given up on eradication. People are just too selfish, impatient, and ignorant to do what it takes to eliminate the virus (as has more or less been done in Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Bhutan, Nepal, Nigeria, and other nations). It's either get vaccinated ASAP, or the virus wins.

Everyone needs to get vaccinated now, and keep wearing masks and maintaining other safety measures until we are, before variants have a chance to continue to evolve in ways that could render vaccines ineffective. Evolutionary pressures are already selecting for variants less susceptible to vaccines. If this pandemic has shown us anything it’s that the virus always moves much faster than we expect.

Either we do something about the pandemic, or the virus will do something about us. Regardless of beliefs, preferences, or opinions, we would all likely be happier if humans and not the SARS-CoV-2 virus emerge as the dominant species.

That's the thing though. The selfish ones will not do anything no matter how badly it affects others. Until it directly effects them in a substantial matter, they won't change. Even worse, it's not a very big impact on them and they develop hubris, their selfishness grows 10 fold.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...id-11620419989

A couple of points:

First. Just to be clear: Reading the cited article up to the paywall the author makes numerous references to viruses being "created" in the labs at WIV. It goes on to cite Dr. Richard Elbright as suggesting that the virus was lab "generated."

Now, in at least one interview with Dr. Elbright, (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...covid-origins/),while he is quite critical of the WHO investigation of the origins of the virus, he states unequally that " The genome sequence of this virus shows no signatures of human manipulation."

Without access to the rest of the WSJ article, the rest of the author's argument cannot be evaluated. As it stands, Dr. Elbright's statement undercuts the main premise of the WSJ piece. Assuming you ARE a subscriber to the WSJ and you HAVE read the whole piece carefully, perhaps you would be kind enough to reproduce it here so the rest of us can evaluate it as well.

Second, while the origins of the virus are indeed a subject of intense interest, what specifically does that question have to do with vaccination?

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Opie

Antibody testing before administering the vaccine, research and testing.

Oh, I understand, but I figure it's easier and cheaper for me to just get the vaccine -

[Wally86]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

Vaccination is the only possible path forward. We in the U.S. have given up on eradication. People are just too selfish, impatient, and ignorant to do what it takes to eliminate the virus (as has more or less been done in Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Bhutan, Nepal, Nigeria, and other nations). It's either get vaccinated ASAP, or the virus wins.

Everyone needs to get vaccinated now, and keep wearing masks and maintaining other safety measures until we are, before variants have a chance to continue to evolve in ways that could render vaccines ineffective. Evolutionary pressures are already selecting for variants less susceptible to vaccines. If this pandemic has shown us anything it’s that the virus always moves much faster than we expect.

Either we do something about the pandemic, or the virus will do something about us. Regardless of beliefs, preferences, or opinions, we would all likely be happier if humans and not the SARS-CoV-2 virus emerge as the dominant species.

Err on the side of freedom. If people want to skip it, let them skip it. 100% of people don't have to get vaccinated for pretty great results. If we strive for perfection, we'll never get there. Good enough goes a long way.