EcuTek How the system Works

[Tor]

Thank you both.

I assume you need a laptop connected to log with Ecutec (unless using their new Bluetooth connector)? Hence the question, since Tactrix would be a more compact solution.

Another question:
If starting out from an unlocked tune file which already includes Racerom, is it then Is it necessary to purchase Racerom to edit said tune (including modifying the Racerom features)?

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Tor

Thank you both.

I assume you need a laptop connected to log with Ecutec (unless using their new Bluetooth connector)? Hence the question, since Tactrix would be a more compact solution.

Another question:
If starting out from an unlocked tune file which already includes Racerom, is it then Is it necessary to purchase Racerom to edit said tune (including modifying the Racerom features)?

Afaik the new bluetooth dongle only logs to apple phone\tablet it doesnt flash tunes and its extra on top of normsl cable kit. And you have to have tune in ecu with letest v9.1 i think racerom features added.


You get racerm patchs for roms with basic proecu kit you can add racerom patch to base roms but you xan only edit or see, mode 1 maps and base features likr c ffs auto blip and per gear rpm limits. You cannot access custom maps , mode 2 3 4 maps or any other racerom features which i suspect includes tge setup of fancy blutooth features

[Kodename47]

ECU Connect is now available for Android too. You do indeed need RaceROM 9.1 patched ROMs.

On the standard dongle license (End User) you have access to:
Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced classified maps
Add RaceROM patches to base ROMs
Edit launch control, Flat Foot Shift and Aito-Blip on patched files

The RaceROM upgrade gives you access to:
Fuel and ignition timing maps for modes 2-4
Custom Maps

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

ECU Connect is now available for Android too. You do indeed need RaceROM 9.1 patched ROMs.

On the standard dongle license (End User) you have access to:
Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced classified maps
Add RaceROM patches to base ROMs
Edit launch control, Flat Foot Shift and Aito-Blip on patched files

The RaceROM upgrade gives you access to:
Fuel and ignition timing maps for modes 2-4
Custom Maps

Thanks steve

Do you get access to set up blutooth app features on base proecu kit ? Assume you need custom msps to set up pops and map change though ?

Assume the logging via blutoith jyst works on eacerom 9.1?

But other fance stuff you would need racerom full access ?

If it now works on andriod thats great might even think about one :-)

You recon they will flash with it ever ? , Looks like a micro usb on back end of. Blutooth dongle is that used for anything ?

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by steve99

Thanks steve

Do you get access to set up blutooth app features on base proecu kit ? Assume you need custom msps to set up pops and map change though ?

Assume the logging via blutoith jyst works on eacerom 9.1?

But other fance stuff you would need racerom full access ?

If it now works on andriod thats great might even think about one :-)

You recon they will flash with it ever ? , Looks like a micro usb on back end of. Blutooth dongle is that used for anything ?

I've heard that there is an updated unit coming out that will allow you to flash via the laptop using the BT device. However I guess it requires the same form of security as the dongle to allow flashing from a phone or tablet. Whether they will get BT flashing from ProECU though....

The App is designed for 9.1 (on the BRZ) only. I'd imagine you get just the OEM parameters if you use an earlier version, I'm sure that was confirmed on here before.

I can't confirm what the End Users get access to with regards to the Custom Parameter Settings. I would assume it's RaceROM upgrade at a minimum as you use the parameters as inputs into custom maps etc.

[Tor]

Thanks a lot for all your answers.

My car is running really well as it is. Is it worthwhile switching to Ecutek? Are there any tools in in the Ecutek software that makes tuning easier compared to Romraider? Or is it the same footwork required?

It seems like I could copy over my present tune to Ecutek with just purchasing a cable and a license. Would I have any benefit except for the gimmicks like proper FFS? And would it be better to hold off and see if the cable will be completely replaceable with the BT adapter?

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by Tor

Thanks a lot for all your answers.

My car is running really well as it is. Is it worthwhile switching to Ecutek? Are there any tools in in the Ecutek software that makes tuning easier compared to Romraider? Or is it the same footwork required?

It seems like I could copy over my present tune to Ecutek with just purchasing a cable and a license. Would I have any benefit except for the gimmicks like proper FFS? And would it be better to hold off and see if the cable will be completely replaceable with the BT adapter?

I like the EcuTek log viewer, but no extra tools are built in. The aids come in the custom maps as you can use these to save time using multiple maps or variable settings.

If the updated BT device does come to production, I could see it replacing the cable, as it would inevitably provide laptop logging and flashing plus the app connectivity. Plus it comes in a nicer case....

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by COO86L

Just to add, this is the write up I send confused customers (of which there are a few)..

There are 5 components of the ecutek end user/retail system.

1. EcuTek OBDII cable
2. EcuTek dongle/usb key or its correct name "DESkey"
3. ProECU software
4. License
5. Tune file

All of these are separate things. The software and license are both software items and aren't physical.

The OBDII cable is used for transferring data from the ProECU software/laptop to your cars ECU.

The DESkey is a software encryption key that allows you to open ProECU on your computer. It is like a password for a program but it is physical and impossible to crack/hack. It's purely used so you can't copy the ProECU software, kind of like how some games etc used a product key.

The license is a string of code that attaches to your ProECU software until you write it to the cars ECU. The license, once applied to an ECU, is no longer connected to your particular EcuTek programming kit. You are free to use whatever cable and dongle you wish, otherwise people would be locked to one tuner and one tuner only.

The tune file is created by your tuner. If they are doing it in person, you won't see a copy of it. If you are doing it remotely, they will compile it and "key" it to your dongle ID (DESkey ID). This allows you to flash it to your car but not allow you to open, view or change any mapping. This doesn't lock your ECU either, but using EcuTek means you are locked to EcuTek's software UNLESS you flash a stock tune file, which will allow different programs access.

High end software programs have used dongle encryption for decades. Back in the day there were programs like dongle spy that record all the information that passes between the dongle and the dlls for the program and rewrite dlls with all of the encryption data already in them so that the software works.

That's how programs like 3D Studio Max and Lightwave 3D and Maya, etc.. have cracked versions out there.

That being said, I don't condone cracking software nor do I know how easily it can be done for this software, but to say it's impossible is a misnomer.

Jaden

[COO86L]

Originally Posted by Jaden

High end software programs have used dongle encryption for decades. Back in the day there were programs like dongle spy that record all the information that passes between the dongle and the dlls for the program and rewrite dlls with all of the encryption data already in them so that the software works.

That's how programs like 3D Studio Max and Lightwave 3D and Maya, etc.. have cracked versions out there.

That being said, I don't condone cracking software nor do I know how easily it can be done for this software, but to say it's impossible is a misnomer.

Jaden

I'd rather say to a customer that it's impossible, rather than say it's very hard as that's something they don't really need to know.

Anything's possible, the impossible just takes longer.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Tor

Thanks a lot for all your answers.

My car is running really well as it is. Is it worthwhile switching to Ecutek? Are there any tools in in the Ecutek software that makes tuning easier compared to Romraider? Or is it the same footwork required?

It seems like I could copy over my present tune to Ecutek with just purchasing a cable and a license. Would I have any benefit except for the gimmicks like proper FFS? And would it be better to hold off and see if the cable will be completely replaceable with the BT adapter?

I got ecutek just for the map switching, but i use it to switch fuels with 95 ron 98 ron , E 40 and e85 maps in the 4 slots, saves me reflashing all the time and cheaper and easier than full flex. I ws able to sell my oft for goid price and picked up a secondhand cabke kit cheap. I probably would not do it just for lc ffs and auto blip on na car.

[GsxrMe]

Im lucky to have a protune thats unlocked. Im interested in adding ignition timing and adjusting my duty cycle on my Boost controller after my motor build is complete and broken in. Does anyone have an English guide that translates each table in EcuTek for a dumb down English for learning purposes?

[steve99]

Originally Posted by GsxrMe

Im lucky to have a protune thats unlocked. Im interested in adding ignition timing and adjusting my duty cycle on my Boost controller after my motor build is complete and broken in. Does anyone have an English guide that translates each table in EcuTek for a dumb down English for learning purposes?

Open the table theirs often help option

Theier is also some pdf documentation that comes with ecutek, but with the base proecu it its prety basic , tuner version you get more info

Boost controller is likely controlled by custom maps set up by tuner, so depends how they set it up might be their own setup usually uses evap purge solenoid output of ecu from memory.

Unfortunatly unleass you have racerom extension pack you cannot se or slter custom maps even in unlocked tune

Nice to see james martin still doing unlocked tunes

[GsxrMe]

Originally Posted by steve99

Open the table theirs often help option

Theier is also some pdf documentation that comes with ecutek, but with the base proecu it its prety basic , tuner version you get more info

Boost controller is likely controlled by custom maps set up by tuner, so depends how they set it up might be their own setup usually uses evap purge solenoid output of ecu from memory.

Unfortunatly unleass you have racerom extension pack you cannot se or slter custom maps even in unlocked tune

Nice to see james martin still doing unlocked tunes

Funny, i found what i was looking for just after i posted. Ill need to purchase Racerom and i found the pdf in the help dropdown. Thank you sir!

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by GsxrMe

Im interested in adding ignition timing and adjusting my duty cycle on my Boost controller after my motor build is complete and broken in.

Simple rule of thumb, increase boost, reduce ignition advance..... don't go doing both