Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[Spuds]

STX vs STR

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think he meant taking money right out of the equation not just if a person could afford it or not.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

But...but that's taking money into consideration.

In other words, what @Tcoat said.

Gotcha, I was mistakenly taking the statement as what someone could comfortably afford as opposed to literally "money is no object."

[x808drifter]

I mean the only reason I got a twin was I couldn't find a FD.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

I mean the only reason I got a twin was I couldn't find a FD.

Among other things i got it because it had a stick

And i needed my manual fix...in a car that was made to have a manual trans.

-the scion iM i had was a stick....but it was purely an econobox.
-I guess i could have gotten a ponycar....but did i want a ponycar?
-I could have gone with a BMW M car....but our household was already paying for a BMW...having more BMW level car payments on top of that would have just stretched us thin unneccessarily. I'd be waiting until the BMW is fully paid off before even considering looking into something at that pricer range.
Im not pulling out an 8+ year loan just to be able to reduce car payments on top of having to find a chunk of upfront change to make those payment numbers......thats way too long of a loan period. 5 years is my max (and i think is a typical loan length)

And in terms of first vs second gen....I didnt want to wait for second gen (still about 6 months out at the time) And after driving puny econoboxes for so long the torque dip experience was just a nothing burger.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

...5 years is my max (and i think is a typical loan length)..

Not that it's a good thing, but in the US the average car loan is now almost 70 months. If that's the average, there are a lot of car loans out there for 72 to 84 months.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not that it's a good thing, but in the US the average car loan is now almost 70 months. If that's the average, there are a lot of car loans out there for 72 to 84 months.

With the current average cost of a new vehicle almost at $50,000 it is not at all surprising that the length of loans has gone up.

https://money.com/new-car-prices-ave...gage%20lenders.

[weederr33]

I stuck with my Gen1.5 cuz I already upgraded from a 2013 FRS, and because the insane price gouging. Also because the aftermarket isn’t quite caught up. Plus if I’m going to get a new car, I’ll probably get something else.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not that it's a good thing, but in the US the average car loan is now almost 70 months. If that's the average, there are a lot of car loans out there for 72 to 84 months.

Yup and these are going to be the same people who cant afford to pay the bills when prices and interest rates go up because they stretched themselves so thin and are up to their eyeballs in debt.

I think about all the time how someone with modest income is able to afford these super expensive items and its partially because of these ridiculously long loans. You price a car up here in Canada that costs like 60,000 dollars and monthly payments for 5 years is over 1k a month, lease drops it down like to like 800 dollars, then you play with the down payment numbers and you find you need like 15000 to get that payment down to like 300-400 dollars a month. Stretch that loan to like 7-8 years and things look much more affordable. Obviously numbers are made up but you get the idea.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Yup and these are going to be the same people who cant afford to pay the bills when prices and interest rates go up because they stretched themselves so thin and are up to their eyeballs in debt.

That seems like just a little bit of an over-generalization,tbqh.

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I'll say it again, if money is not an issue then GEN1 vs GEN2 is the wrong question. Few of us would buy a Twin if money were not a factor.

Completely disagree as well.

My final choice came down the 86 or Supra. I would have paid cash for either, so money was not a factor. Value however was. The Supra would have pretty much been twice the price of the 86 and was far from twice the car and may not even be the better car.

As for 1st gen vs 2nd gen, I have less than 4K miles on my 2020 GT86. Why in the hell would I even think of getting rid of it to replace it with something that has at best minor upgrades.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by bucketfoot

Completely disagree as well.

My final choice came down the 86 or Supra. I would have paid cash for either, so money was not a factor. Value however was. The Supra would have pretty much been twice the price of the 86 and was far from twice the car and may not even be the better car.

As for 1st gen vs 2nd gen, I have less than 4K miles on my 2020 GT86. Why in the hell would I even think of getting rid of it to replace it with something that has at best minor upgrades.

But again, you are putting money in the situation, between selecting the 86 and the Supra, and between the 1st and 2nd gen.

Either money (which also means value) isn't a consideration or it is.

When I bought the FRS, I was considering cars that cost more than twice as much all of which I could afford. However, the FRS was the better bang for the buck for me. (money).

If money was no concern, I would have purchased the Camaro ZL1 or the Cadillac CTS-V that was also on my shopping list, or maybe a Ferrari 458 Italia that wasn't on my reality list.....

Point made, I officially give up.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

But again, you are putting money in the situation, between selecting the 86 and the Supra, and between the 1st and 2nd gen.

Either money (which also means value) isn't a consideration or it is.

When I bought the FRS, I was considering cars that cost more than twice as much all of which I could afford. However, the FRS was the better bang for the buck for me. (money).

If money was no concern, I would have purchased the Camaro ZL1 or the Cadillac CTS-V that was also on my shopping list, or maybe a Ferrari 458 Italia that wasn't on my reality list.....

Point made, I officially give up.

I am truly baffled how the statement "If money is NOT a factor" is either ignored or misunderstood in the context of this question. Maybe he should have said "what reasons other than cost?" or "I know there is a difference in costs but what else would make you want a Gen 1?".

Strangely enough, at this moment in time, if financing, it is probably cheaper to get a Gen 2 (assuming you can find one and pay MSRP for it) then a good, low mileage, late MY Gen 1. When you consider that used car finance rates are significantly higher than new and late MY cars are retailing for near their new prices the Gen 2 is probably the better financial deal.

[bucketfoot]

To be fair, if I was buying today and let's say that the current version of the BRZ was still the 2020 version (1st gen at its best) and the 86 was the new version, I would absolutely opt for the new version.

But with money being no object (which it is not) I would not/have not give any consideration to replacing my existing 2020 with a 2nd gen. The biggest difference is the power, and if power was a major issue I would not buy any version of an 86/BRZ.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

I mean the only reason I got a twin was I couldn't find a FD.

I sold my FD within a year of buying my '17 BRZ PP...