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Tcoat · 08-26-2022, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk

Help me out here - are you talking about global warming, or climate change? Are they the same or is there a difference? Can you point me to some scientific studies that causatively, not correlatively, show that carbondioxide causes temperature rise, and not the other way around?
Also, plants need CO2. By trying to eliminate that, you'll be hurting them in the process.

chipmunk · 08-26-2022, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

I don't know how that emoji got in there. Fat fingered perhaps.

No seriously, this will change my mind. I searched, couldn't find anything convincing.

new2subaru · 08-26-2022, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk

Help me out here - are you talking about global warming, or climate change? Are they the same or is there a difference? Can you point me to some scientific studies that causatively, not correlatively, show that carbondioxide causes temperature rise, and not the other way around?
Also, plants need CO2. By trying to eliminate that, you'll be hurting them in the process.

How exactly are you going to produce all that extra electricity is 50, 60, 70 % of all US cars are EVs?

Chicken and egg. You may want to solve that problem first?

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

Dadhawk · 08-26-2022, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

As stated above, the biggest issue with hydrogen adoption isn't public fear; it is practicality. Hydrogen cars have been exclusive to California because it was where Toyota and the state agreed to invest in fueling stations, but there are few to date. It is less green than BEVs over the life of the car.

I like the quote from a recent episode of Top Gear UK on the hydrogen charging stations in the UK. Loosely, "Last year in the UK, there were 12 hydrogen charging stations and 15 babies born and named Lucifer".

Tcoat · 08-26-2022, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk

I don't know how that emoji got in there. Fat fingered perhaps.

No seriously, this will change my mind. I searched, couldn't find anything convincing.

ZDan · 08-26-2022, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk

Also, plants need CO2. By trying to eliminate that, you'll be hurting them in the process.

Jesus, are you kidding? Show me how 250ppm CO2 was so terrible for plants…

Plants were good, animals were good, climate was relatively stable.

chipmunk · 08-26-2022, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

Plants were good, animals were good, climate was relatively stable.

So plants and animals that have always existed are not to be blamed.
What are some of the biggest sources then? Are you willing to start with yourself to solve it? Until you do that, I can't take anything you say seriously.

ZDan · 08-26-2022, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk

What are some of the biggest sources then?

Dadhawk · 08-26-2022, 09:56 AM

Based in @ZDan's pie chart then we have a two pronged problem. We need to reduce the transportation slice, without increasing the Electric Power slice. Of course since this is a percentage chart, the "percents" have to go somewhere.

What would be more helpful though is if Transportation was broken down a bit. A pretty small piece of that is personal vehicles. Planes, Trains, and Ships make up most of that 27%.

chipmunk · 08-26-2022, 10:03 AM

And what's gonna happen to that 25% from electricity generation?

NoHaveMSG · 08-26-2022, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk

So plants and animals that have always existed are not to be blamed.
What are some of the biggest sources then? Are you willing to start with yourself to solve it? Until you do that, I can't take anything you say seriously.

NoHaveMSG · 08-26-2022, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

As stated above, the biggest issue with hydrogen adoption isn't public fear; it is practicality. Hydrogen cars have been exclusive to California because it was where Toyota and the state agreed to invest in fueling stations, but there are few to date. It is less green than BEVs over the life of the car.

I think they will be there in the future, but I just don't think it will be necessary or best. Solid state sodium sulfur batteries will reduce cost and be more energy dense, so range anxiety will be non-existent, and even without them, battery swapping in the future would be better than refueling with hydrogen. Battery swapping would allow the use of smaller batteries for daily needs and larger batteries for long trips, which means we wouldn't need 100kWh battery cars as the norm--more like 25kWh battery cars. These would be much lighter and cheaper to produce--far cheaper.

My comment is anecdotal. As you know, anything negative someone can find on something they are against, they will cling to without looking into it any further.

chipmunk · 08-26-2022, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

anything negative someone can find on something they are against, they will cling to without looking into it any further.

YES. Exactly.

NoHaveMSG · 08-26-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Based in @ZDan's pie chart then we have a two pronged problem. We need to reduce the transportation slice, without increasing the Electric Power slice. Of course since this is a percentage chart, the "percents" have to go somewhere.

It's not clean per se, but this is the most practical application I see for carbon capture. They have that plant up and running in TX this year along with other places in the world. The plant makes it's own fuel on site.

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