GR86 Real World Road Tests & Reviews

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by Zandermannnn

Heel & Toe is really what makes driving a manual fun to me. Looking back on before I knew how, I still enjoyed driving stick but had no idea how much of the experience I was missing out on. Even driving in traffic on my way to work is enjoyable now.

I hadn’t driven a manual car in a little while and drove my buddies S14 today. Man, really makes me miss daily driving a stick car… Heel toed it, did some double clutching. It makes driving so gratifying IMO.

[Jianlun]

https://www.carbibles.com/the-2022-t...s-awesome/?amp

Sorry if repost. Nice summary of the recent reviews. For me, it makes it more refreshing to re-read the reviews here than to keep going back to the individual articles, as I nurse the emptiness I am feeling now while waiting for the car to be on sale.... hahah.

[bcj]

Ok. Is there a front tow point anymore for my offset front plate mount?
Isn't obvious either in the plastic grill or plastic painted fascia.

(or for towing it out of a hedge it's backed into at speed)

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Blighty

You can absolutely take it to redline (you cannot exceed redline though).

A track day as part of year one - so I think tracking the car will be fine.

The problem, as always, you generally void warranty if you have modded the cars ECU or significant other parts of the car that could be related to the issue.

If you read carefully, there's fine print to the "one free track day" that says if you go to the track it may void warranty and cause serious injury or death. The regular legal stuff.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by bcj

Ok. Is there a front tow point anymore for my offset front plate mount?
Isn't obvious either in the plastic grill or plastic painted fascia.

(or for towing it out of a hedge it's backed into at speed)

Yep, same spot

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by bcj

Ok. Is there a front tow point anymore for my offset front plate mount?
Isn't obvious either in the plastic grill or plastic painted fascia.

(or for towing it out of a hedge it's backed into at speed)

Look like it.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

Now that they have "GAZOO RACING" in the name of the car will they still deny warranty claims for blown engines if you take it to the track or drift it or will they still say you abused the car by reving it to redline?

Did they fix the oiling issues? only time will tell.

It comes with a free track day and a full year membership to NASA so I imagine they'll be somewhat lenient with any track-related issues. Not to mention they call their red color Track bRed. It seems they're pretty confident in the track reliability of this second gen but like you said, time will tell.

Personally I've never had any engine issues with my first gen after dozens of track, autocross and hard canyon days.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Pat

While I agree it is a good skill to learn, I think that is overstating it. Some Porsche factory drivers used to say the same thing. Then Porsche dialed in the programming for auto blip and after a year of using it they prefer to be automated. The crew prefers it also as the transmissions have been more reliable since implementation of auto blip.

I get what you are saying, kinda like the manual vs, auto argument. Modern auto's are faster, auto blip can be better. I'd just prefer to develop the ability to do something rather then rely on it be done for me and not be able to do it if I am in a car without that feature.

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Why should one group's preference for manual blipping dictate what everyone else can buy? That's elitism at its best. As long as the auto rev-matching feature is fully and easily defeatable everyone can be happy. Some people may not have ability to do it properly when faced with all the other demands of street or track driving, making it a dangerous distraction, or don't want to risk their transmission getting damaged to learn it.

It doesn't. Don't misconstrued what I say either. I called it a crutch for those who haven't learned to do it properly yet. Learning to heel toe isn't a requirement, it is just a good skill to have and something you should learn to do. If you can't, or don't want to, then don't If that makes me an elitist, then I am an elitist I guess.

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I get what you are saying, kinda like the manual vs, auto argument. Modern auto's are faster, auto blip can be better. I'd just prefer to develop the ability to do something rather then rely on it be done for me and not be able to do it if I am in a car without that feature.



It doesn't. Don't misconstrued what I say either. I called it a crutch for those who haven't learned to do it properly yet. Learning to heel toe isn't a requirement, it is just a good skill to have and something you should learn to do. If you can't, or don't want to, then don't If that makes me an elitist, then I am an elitist I guess.

I don’t think it’s elitist. It’s something you like to do, a good skill and you enjoy it. As long as you are not preachy, no big deal. In too many years on enthusiast forums I see people trying to yuck someone else’s yum. I rarely see an auto guy say an MT sucks, but if I had a dollar for every time an MT guy says auto sucks, I would be on a GT3 forum instead of here. Clearly neither suck, they are just choices. Personally if I drove MT, I would try to learn heel and toe, I mean why not. But having at least a choice for autoblip is not bad, no ones forcing you to use it.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

If you read carefully, there's fine print to the "one free track day" that says if you go to the track it may void warranty and cause serious injury or death. The regular legal stuff.

I have not seen the details - would be great to see them though, I assume GR Yaris and GR Supra owners have them? Apparently the whole club thing is for them too? Well it is in Australia anyway.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

^ Yes I can certainly see if you can master heel-toe it adds to your driving engagement. But for those that can't a manual with rev matching will still be more engaging than an AT, or a manual without it.

IIRC tuners did try to add auto-blipping as a tune option on the twins years ago, but it didn't work very well.

Yeah I think its not super easy to get right, even manufacturers struggle to get it right on manuals.

You never know, it might come out later on with a facelift. Until then its a brilliant skill and fun to practice in your daily drive.

Not sure if this is the official way or not, but when I first started Id just practice with gentle breaking - with the clutch fully depressed. Just press your toe on the break so that you can lift your heel enough to slide it over onto the accelerator and blip it. Don't worry about how much you blip it at the start, its just the motion of clutch in, toe depressed, slid heal and blip. One that feels natural and comfortable then add changing down a gear and and clutch release. When you start doing it quick, god it feels good. A tight gearchange while breaking is a sublime feeling of control.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

if I had a dollar for every time an MT guy says auto sucks, I would be on a GT3 forum instead of here. Clearly neither suck, they are just choices.

Except some autos actually suck
Even in the last ~10 years, there were a bunch of cars where a manual was way quicker than the same car with auto.

But some autos are pretty good indeed, and some are quicker than manual for performance driving.

[Aki]

Unless the automatics are dramatically improved I'll stick to manual. BMW autos are great, Toyota autos still feel like slushboxes (I've driven both manual and auto FR-S on the track, latter feels slower).

Rev-matching is just an extra cost that's unnecessary (adding features to the car, R&D, testing isn't free). Autos are faster than manuals and racing, yes. But the whole point of a manual is to value the analog feel above best lap times.

[RZNT4R]

I remember test driving an automatic '17 before I ordered my (manual) car. It was fine, it drove well and was responsive, it was a perfectly fine transmission for a daily and I would not fault someone for buying it. The 86/BRZ are above all super fun daily drivers and many of them will never see the track, a smooth and fast AT that has an all-gears lockup is a better deal than an SMG.

It seems however that for 2022 the autos are getting changed to a 3.9 final drive, and I feel that even with the added torque, that combined with the already longer gears of the AT may not suit the car well: It'll be fine for high speed-long range cruising or a very eco 60mph, but these cars are not grand tourers.

It's already a bummer that manuals are going back down to 4.1 :\