2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

With the rider that they are marketing sites as well as info....
They have come a long way.

The only experience I've had with a CVT was on my Polaris Scrambler 500 ATV. I have to say it was a blast to ride. Because of the CVT it had a reverse speed override (from the factory) and would go as fast in reverse as forward. Only time I've driven 40MPH backwards and done effective reverse donuts.

The downside was zero engine braking which would have been very useful in downhill scenarios, but I think car CVTs provide that (although I could be wrong)

[Captain Snooze]

The question that needs* to be asked is where's the S-FR?






*Poetic license

[krayzie]

Still looking for a car maker to do it with.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I didn't make any claim about not being stuck due to skill or tires with the lowered car. I said the sedan drivers get stuck because they don't know how to drive in deep snow and their tires are not suitable or are worn. That does not mean they are the only reasons but they are the major ones.

I didn't have in mind deep snow situations or salted roads, but mainly frozen snow on the sides of the road which made big obstacles. It was funny that many sedan cars could not leave the parking space because they couldn't ride these obstacles. Especially the ones without all wheel drive. It was like trying to ride a high curb with a low height car and with limited traction. I agree with you that in many weather conditions you don't really need a SUV, but when you'll need it and you are really stuck maybe you'll have to think it twice. If it was possible to have a single car for everything, then maybe I would have a Porsche or something in this category and I wouldn't need to spend more than 80k for two cars. You know that there isn't such a thing and everything is a compromise.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Lol, you're not wrong.
"D-Step Logic Control", "Lineartronic CVT", “Launch Gear”, "Direct Shift-CVT".
Ffs, I didn't realise I needed all of this stuff.

The Launch Gear is legit useful. The rest is garbage marketing. I can't for the life of me figure out why Nissan and Subaru put simulated shift points into their CVTs other than consumers are used to it. The whole point of a CVT is you can rev the engine to a target RPM without having to swap cogs and drop revs.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I didn't have in mind deep snow situations or salted roads, but mainly frozen snow on the sides of the road which made big obstacles. It was funny that many sedan cars could not leave the parking space because they couldn't ride these obstacles. Especially the ones without all wheel drive. It was like trying to ride a high curb with a low height car and with limited traction. I agree with you that in many weather conditions you don't really need a SUV, but when you'll need it and you are really stuck maybe you'll have to think it twice. If it was possible to have a single car for everything, then maybe I would have a Porsche or something in this category and I wouldn't need to spend more than 80k for two cars. You know that there isn't such a thing and everything is a compromise.

Meh. People got through that stuff before SUVs existed and still manage most of the time.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by unhappymeal

The Launch Gear is legit useful. The rest is garbage marketing. I can't for the life of me figure out why Nissan and Subaru put simulated shift points into their CVTs other than consumers are used to it. The whole point of a CVT is you can rev the engine to a target RPM without having to swap cogs and drop revs.

It is market hype but that does not diminish the value of the improvements. The tech behind that hype is legit.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Meh. People got through that stuff before SUVs existed and still manage most of the time.

You mean back when you were stationed in Germany where cars generally had narrower tires with much more sidewall, real bumpers and much more clearance especially below the front bumper.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by krayzie

You mean back when cars had narrower tires with much more sidewall, real bumpers and much more clearance especially below the front bumper.

Yep. I believe it was one of the domestics (Chrysler?) who specified that all vehicles had to have a minimum ground clearance for curb and snow clearance.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is market hype but that does not diminish the value of the improvements. The tech behind that hype is legit.

That's true. At the risk of embarrassing myself, my Altima rental that I had last year felt smoother when accelerating than ZF8 transmission cars. If they can find a way to muffle the drone and make them tolerate more torque, I can see CVTs dominating the automotive landscape.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by krayzie

You mean back when you were stationed in Germany where cars generally had narrower tires with much more sidewall, real bumpers and much more clearance especially below the front bumper.

OK so every time it has snowed more than 5 inches for the last 30 years every car that was not a SUV has been stuck. Got it. Shit we must grind to a halt about 6 weeks a year. All those poor people in their compact and sub compacts must spend so much time stranded.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by unhappymeal

That's true. At the risk of embarrassing myself, my Altima rental that I had last year felt smoother when accelerating than ZF8 transmission cars. If they can find a way to muffle the drone and make them tolerate more torque, I can see CVTs dominating the automotive landscape.

Drone is gone in the most recent Subaru CVTs and they use an auto clutch instead of a torque converter so torque isn't an issue either. They are on there way. Only a matter of time before we see MT vs AT vs CVT threads.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

OK so every time it has snowed more than 5 inches for the last 30 years every car that was not a SUV has been stuck. Got it. Shit we must grind to a halt about 6 weeks a year. All those poor people in their compact and sub compacts must spend so much time stranded.

I don't think SUVs were popular 30 years ago but maybe in your neck of the woods certainly not in big city centers.

Besides, in the last 15 or so years even if the average driver knew how to turn off traction and stability control to spin the wheels out of a sticky situation how many average cars these days do you think even allow the feature to be fully turned off.

I sure hope BMW I mean Toyota included a DSC button somewhere on the center console of the Zupra and not buried somewhere deep in some iDrive menu.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by krayzie

I don't think SUVs were popular 30 years ago...

They have been popular for decades. SUVs are just the modern station wagon. We just made them a little better looking and changed the name.