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Old 01-15-2019, 02:08 PM   #169
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Are you saying that I'm lying? The 86 is one of the best chassis for under $100k. Fact.

It's also one of the lightest sports cars on the road, beaten only by the Miata as far as I know, why do you think so many people buy them to race them or drift them? Why buy an 86 and put $30k in it to modify it vs. just buying a GT350? Because at the end of the day, the 86 will always be 1000lbs lighter.

Man I question the intellect of some of the fools on here...

But I guess it's not common knowledge that the 86 has a lower CoG than the Cayman, GT-R, and is just tenths of an inch off the LFA, 911 GT3, and Ferrari 360.

But yes, come and tell me what kind of koolaid I'm drinking.
It's very common knowledge. The BRZ/FRS/GT86 are great cars. As long as you like slow cars.

Go wreck that BRZ with $30K in mods. Have fun with insurance on that one.. or wreck a GT350 and get paid back MSRP or so.

It's silly to talk about modified cars vs stock cars.
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Old 01-15-2019, 02:12 PM   #170
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But yes, come and tell me what kind of koolaid I'm drinking.

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Old 01-15-2019, 02:12 PM   #171
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It's very common knowledge. The BRZ/FRS/GT86 are great cars. As long as you like slow cars.

Go wreck that BRZ with $30K in mods. Have fun with insurance on that one.. or wreck a GT350 and get paid back MSRP or so.

It's silly to talk about modified cars vs stock cars.
You're right, it is silly. But to get my point across that the 86 is one of the best, if not THE best chassis for under $100k, it was necessary. For some reason they didn't believe me but that's their own problem I guess, not mine.

Point proven, the Supra probably took some inspiration from the 86, it's even roughly the same dimensions all-around as an 86, so it's going to drive like a boosted 86, give or take...
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The best thing about the MKIV Supra was the cockpit-like interior design. Could've been a great opportunity for Toyota to do something.... or anything.... with this car.... at all.
I know the general perception is this is "cockpit like" but I'm not sure what cockpit its supposed to be like. Aircraft cockpits (which is what is usually referenced by this) are more spread out and some of the least ergonomic workspaces you'll ever be in. Maybe a modern day fighter is better but they are almost all glass cockpit and so narrow they don't have a choice but to be "cozy".

Also, I've never liked the desire to point things like radios and such towards the driver in a car to the point where it is useless to the passenger. When I'm on road trips I usually have a "copilot/navigator" with me in the car that is responsible for controlling all things not directly related to driving. It's kind of hard when she can't reach them.
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I know the general perception is this is "cockpit like" but I'm not sure what cockpit its supposed to be like. Aircraft cockpits (which is what is usually referenced by this) are more spread out and some of the least ergonomic workspaces you'll ever be in. Maybe a modern day fighter is better but they are almost all glass cockpit and so narrow they don't have a choice but to be "cozy".

Also, I've never liked the desire to point things like radios and such towards the driver in a car to the point where it is useless to the passenger. When I'm on road trips I usually have a "copilot/navigator" with me in the car that is responsible for controlling all things not directly related to driving. It's kind of hard when she can't reach them.
I actually disliked the MKIV Supra interior for that reason. I like when a car has the vehicle controls situated perfectly for the driver.. but that's basically limited to the pedals, steering wheel, shifter and required switches (wipers/turn signals/etc). HVAC/Radio/etc shouldn't be directed at the driver only.
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I'd be excited by a BETTER car than what this appears to be.

There's literally no way I'd ever consider this car at this price point.

And as someone else pointed out, no MT. Yeah.. no thanks. I'd rather have less sports cars in the market than Toyota badged BMWs. IMO Toyota f'd up on this.

As for capability, pretty sure my current DD/HPDE car is far more capable, is one of the best cars I've ever driven, and is cheaper to boot... Granted it's not super practical but I don't think the Supra will be that practical either.
Rebadged BMW aside we really do not know the capabilities of this car as yet. It may be very inexpensive to bring up to the levels that would cost much more to achieve with a less expensive car. Is your current DD/HPDE car bone stock? Did you calculate the costs of any mods when you say it is "cheaper"?
I get that this car is not what many are after (hell I wouldn't want one at half the price myself) but to say that anybody "fucked up" at this point just because it does not meet your personal criteria is a bit premature. Obviously the people that don't like the numbers, appearance, lack of MT are simply not who they were targeting the car at. Simple as that. Time will tell if they missed their target market's desires.
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I know the general perception is this is "cockpit like" but I'm not sure what cockpit its supposed to be like. Aircraft cockpits (which is what is usually referenced by this) are more spread out and some of the least ergonomic workspaces you'll ever be in. Maybe a modern day fighter is better but they are almost all glass cockpit and so narrow they don't have a choice but to be "cozy".

Also, I've never liked the desire to point things like radios and such towards the driver in a car to the point where it is useless to the passenger. When I'm on road trips I usually have a "copilot/navigator" with me in the car that is responsible for controlling all things not directly related to driving. It's kind of hard when she can't reach them.
You're thinking of the instrument layout. I'm talking about the sculpting of the dash itself.



The center console of the MKIV wraps around through the dash and into the door panel. I'm not saying everything needs to be pointed directly to the driver and rendered useless for passengers. I'm just saying it'd be nice if the sculpting of the dash felt a bit more special than just a horizontal piece of leather slapped against a windshield
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I know the general perception is this is "cockpit like" but I'm not sure what cockpit its supposed to be like. Aircraft cockpits (which is what is usually referenced by this) are more spread out and some of the least ergonomic workspaces you'll ever be in. Maybe a modern day fighter is better but they are almost all glass cockpit and so narrow they don't have a choice but to be "cozy".

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Then there is the other extreme such as my fathers old Buick where the 8 track player was so far away from the driver it was about a 15 minute walk to get there.
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The 86 is the lightest rwd car with a fixed hardtop you can buy, regardless of the price point. Reducing weight is arguable more expensive than adding some power.

Some people would rather have a high revving, high output NA engine (something rare in 2019) and some people don't want AWD.

The BRZ 25k new, it's hardly overpriced in my opinion , considering the ND Miata for that price doesn't even have a LSD or glovebox
Oh I know. Sorry if I didn't convey tone enough in what I said. My sentence was pure sarcasm, quoting the typical comments in the car community directed at the "underpowered" 86, except anyone who has the car or puts it against others know that paper stats don't tell the whole story.

The rest of what I wrote clarifies that the first sentence was sarcasm.
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the Zupra looks great for a 2 seater but gotta say I'm still upset that they decided not to have the +2 seating configuration....I just had a great time with 2 friends tagging along this past weekend in my 86...

at this point my biggest complaint is that they are using the same marketing crap on the Zupra as they did with the twins...."not about HP", all about driving feel and connection....but that is all totally lost in translation with their choice of only offering an automatic transmission! I don't get it...they wanted to answer the people's demand of an 86 with double the power so they added nearly 700 pounds, gave it a shorter wheelbase, removed the back seats and no stick.
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Oh I know. Sorry if I didn't convey tone enough in what I said. My sentence was pure sarcasm, quoting the typical comments in the car community directed at the "underpowered" 86, except anyone who has the car or puts it against others know that paper stats don't tell the whole story.

The rest of what I wrote clarifies that the first sentence was sarcasm.
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the Zupra looks great for a 2 seater but gotta say I'm still upset that they decided not to have the +2 seating configuration....I just had a great time with 2 friends tagging along this past weekend in my 86...

at this point my biggest complaint is that they are using the same marketing crap on the Zupra as they did with the twins...."not about HP", all about driving feel and connection....but that is all totally lost in translation with their choice of only offering an automatic transmission! I don't get it...they wanted to answer the people's demand of an 86 with double the power so they added nearly 700 pounds, gave it a shorter wheelbase, removed the back seats and no stick.
Wait it's not a 2+2?

Wow... It has roughly the same dimensions as an 86, and 600lbs more... I had just assumed that it was a 2+2.

Add that as the third reason for why I'm not buying this car

This must be one of the most disappointing hyped car releases ever.
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Wait it's not a 2+2?

Wow... It has roughly the same dimensions as an 86, and 600lbs more... I had just assumed that it was a 2+2.

Add that as the third reason for why I'm not buying this car

This must be one of the most disappointing hyped car releases ever.
LOL You claim to know enough to state the car is crap yet had no clue it was a two seater?
Oh that is precious.
Maybe you have assumed many things.
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You're thinking of the instrument layout. I'm talking about the sculpting of the dash itself.
Must be an automatic, no room for heel/toe braking in this bad boy....

Actually I was thinking more of general aviation aircraft where most of the "cockpits" are a flat surface with instruments thrown about it.

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