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04-10-2021, 10:04 PM | #309 |
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I believe that a squared setup is better for the race track, but for a street car there are reasons going to a slight staggered setup. Not something massive. Maybe in the range of 215/45R17 front and 235/45R17 rear which was used already in the old 86GR car in Japan. About the suspension changes, they played already on how to modify the settings and I don't believe that the old 86GR had issues with understeer. In fact all Japanese reviews I could find, they were saying that it was a more grown up setup. I think the obsession to keep using a squared setup is more a preference of Subaru, because all their other cars are AWD and they are used on this setup. The other main reason should be cost related, which was not the case for the 86GR car and it was more expensive. |
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Why not do 235s all around then? The only reason I can see for staggered tires on an FR is if you need more rear grip and you can’t fit that tire up front. |
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04-11-2021, 08:53 AM | #312 |
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I keep checking this thread hoping for additional info
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04-11-2021, 09:48 AM | #313 |
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I am just incredibly happy that there is another generation.
I want to applaud Subaru & Toyota on sticking to their 'well balanced' guns. In this age of SUVs and BEVs a lot of bad could of happened. I'm calling you out Ford and that Mustang Mach E. |
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04-11-2021, 09:56 AM | #314 | |
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FFW and we get a car that weighs the same, with a more powerful NA engine that revs as high (if not 100rpm more), stiffer chassis, but otherwise sticks to the same formula as the old car. Last edited by Yoshoobaroo; 04-11-2021 at 10:32 AM. |
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Agreed. I was figuring this gen would make a big change that ruined some of the charm, but it looks fantastic and it appears to focus on fun and being a drivers car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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A 235 all around setup will induce an even higher cost for the factory and the customer (initial cost and maintenance cost), will add even more weight and will reduce also a bit the turn-in performance (steering sensitivity). People are usually thinking incorrectly that a bigger rear tire means always less grip on the front tires which is a myth. Grip is not only relevant with the tires, but also relevant with the suspension geometry setup and the percentage of weight transferred front to rear while cornering. Overall, it looks that for rear wheel drive cars and for a certain level of power performance, a staggered setup to be more optimal for the street. The main reason to go squared is for racing, because the bigger the width the better the overall tire temperature stability. However, how many really need this? How many will make more than 5-10 laps per session? Most of them will never go to a track and many of them will not reach this required level of performance from their tires. So, the majority of people will just throw away their money on bigger front tires which are not absolutely needed.
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Fatter front tires will also reduce steering feel, all else being equal. That feel is one of the twins' great strengths, and should not be sacrificed for marginal gains in grip.
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I'm sure the cost differences are there, but once you consider economies of scale, and the fact that you can use the same wheel front to back on a mild stagger, I'm not sure how much you'll actually see. Quote:
On a great hydraulic rack with superb steering feedback like an E46 or E9X BMW, I've found the difference in feel negligible between 225-255 tires up front. The balanced grip front-to-back was always worth it over all the downsides. Then again, those racks have a ton of feedback, so losing a little bit isn't the end of the world. |
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Just remember that hybrids and evs lower average emissions across a product line which allows other vehicles to exist.
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They make the new michelin PS Cup 2 Connect in our tire size.
If you want to add some grip and keep/increase steering feedback. |
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