Toyota Supra Alleged Revival: 2015.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gymratter

Horrible thing to say but each one of those presenters annoys me in a different way and I never even clicked on the actual videos!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Horrible thing to say but each one of those presenters annoys me in a different way and I never even clicked on the actual videos!

You made me curious so I checked each video to see who they were.

Demuro is a huge dork which is kind of charming once you get used to it and he goes pretty in depth into what the car is like to live with (how the doors work, storage pockets, features, infotainment etc.) Can't drive for shit though so don't hold your breath for any driving impressions other than "it feels pretty good"

2nd in the list of links, actually watching his review now, keyless entry is pretty neat

idgaf about the rest

[gymratter]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/car...s.1814/page-12

Finally got the car on an AWD Dyno. Did 3 runs total, video is after the second. Engine was starting to heat soak so we waited 15 minutes before the 3rd pull.

3rd pull results not shown in video:
362.5hp
425.7tq

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzYfD5Ag9gw[/ame]

[xdavidx]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Nah, that won't matter to me. Maybe if Toyota had used a different name but there is nothing about this that is Supra except marketing.

This is really my only problem with the car and I suspect the only real problem anyone has with the car. If they didn't go through all this Supra fuss, I'd just say.. cool, a toyota hardtop z4. All the 'problems' with it I've see on the internet stem from either supra heritage/expectations or that people feel Toyota is insulting them to try to pass this off as a supra.

[Pat]

I must be out of the loop or something. What do people expect from a car at this price point? Isn't the performance on par with other cars in it's class? It's not like the Supra was ever supposed to be a hypercar or something. It is certainly miles better in many ways than the last generation Supra.
What am I missing here?

[Impureclient]

Originally Posted by Pat

What am I missing here?

Maybe people are just used to the many "Fast and Furious/1000hp" Supras out there right now.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Maybe people are just used to the many "Fast and Furious/1000hp" Supras out there right now.

That's a part of car culture I complete missed out on.




Well....I wouldn't say I've been missin' it...

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Pat

I must be out of the loop or something. What do people expect from a car at this price point? Isn't the performance on par with other cars in it's class? It's not like the Supra was ever supposed to be a hypercar or something. It is certainly miles better in many ways than the last generation Supra.
What am I missing here?

everyone wants hypercar performance for economy car money.

[WolfpackS2k]

My only real complaint is lack of manual transmission. By the numbers, I previously complained about it's power output but apparently they're being insanely conservative there. So I rescinded that one.

[m.box.design]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

everyone wants hypercar performance for economy car money.

Pretty much this. Can't buy a GT3 with Boxster money.

[xdavidx]

That new Z4 is kind of growing on me... If toyota was able to influence this to be more reliable than most modern bmws maybe I'll get one..



If only they made the Z4 in a hardtop...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Pat

I must be out of the loop or something. What do people expect from a car at this price point? Isn't the performance on par with other cars in it's class? It's not like the Supra was ever supposed to be a hypercar or something. It is certainly miles better in many ways than the last generation Supra.
What am I missing here?

The Supra was a sports car that embodied the best engineering and performance from Toyota at that time. This new Supra doesn't. In many ways, Lexus is the brand that embodies what Toyota can achieve in performance (LFA) and luxury (LC500), so the Supra is no longer relevant. This frustrates enthusiasts in many ways. All this new Supra reflects is the best that Toyota can achieve with the parts they can source in the current economy for sports cars, while still making a profit, which is far from what the Supra represented.

The MKV Supra would need to be a $75k-100k car or more to match where it once competed. The MKIV and MKV have the same MSRP, but are being sold 25 years apart, so it is apparent the bar was lowered for the Supra. No longer is the Supra competing against the GTR or NSX. This is hard for some Supra enthusiasts to swallow. This was compounded by the fact that the car isn't a pure Toyota sports car; somewhat of a slap to the face to Supra purists. This is most apparent in the cabin, which will most likely feel like a BMW and not like a Japanese/Toyota sports car.

At the same time, other enthusiasts are happy. They get to buy a new Supra at a fraction of what a "real" MKV Supra would cost, with performance that should exceed the MKIV Supra in almost every way, and for them, the car is enough of a shadow of the cars of the past that they are satisfied. These general car enthusiasts are just happy they are getting another Toyota developed and tuned sports car. They understand that Toyota knows how to create a driver's car, even if all the parts aren't coming from them. For these enthusiasts, they will take whatever they can get.

[gymratter]

^why is it not relevant? it out performances your $90k+ LC500.

the Supra competed with cars like the 300zx, 3000GT, and RX7. even back then it was priced like $20k less than the NSX. A80's pricing was a little high because of the of rising yen. the car was cheaper in Japan, hence why they sold like x3 as much overseas.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The Supra was a sports car that embodied the best engineering and performance from Toyota at that time.

Horseshit

Mk1-Mk2 Supras were Celicas with bigger motors stuck in them.

Affordable sports cars (cheaper than Corvettes or Porsches) that punched above their weight, the Mk5 is a return to form.