New FR-S BRZ Technology Info! Engine specs, CoG, Drag Coefficient, Dimensions, etc.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

2013 genesis 2.0t is now 271hp and 275 ft/lbs torque. If they can keep the weight at 3294 pounds, that's a power to weight ratio of 12.15 to 1. And it has a 8 speed automatic or 6 speed manual.

The reason why I bring it up is because the price is supposedly gonna be the same...$22k base.

Even though there is no real completion to the ft86, the genesis coupe 2.0t is the closest.

There is no way they are going to price the FRS/BRZ at $28k. I have always said $24k for the high-spec trim 6 speed manual, I am going to stick with that.
And a fully loaded BRZ 6 speed manual will be cheaper than a base WRX.

I am hoping the real engine specs are 220hp and 170 ft/lbs torque

Maybe they'll drop the bomb at TMS and give up a number around 215-220hp for the FR-S rather than all the rumored 197-200hp numbers popping up in magazines.

I'm not real familiar with Toyota when it comes to new cars, have they under-rated HP in the past? Perhaps the specs will list 200hp but once someone gets it on a dyno we'll be pleasantly surprised with a HP bump?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dimman

200/170 is possible based on D4-S and friction reduction gains on the auto-tuned 3S BEAMS motor.

The GT5 220/170 numbers are possible with those gains applied to the more aggressively tuned manual 3S BEAMS motor. Possibly the STI or 'R' version will have numbers like GT5.

Just wait and watch.

It's also entirely possible (and likely) that the established numbers are correct.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

It's also entirely possible (and likely) that the established numbers are correct.

No. Peak torque is tuned for 6600 and just drops like crazy? I don't buy it.

This thing has more compression, likely better combustion, and likely less friction than an F20C which still manages an 800 rpm spread. At the rpms they both run for their peaks the friction is going to be way less on the FA20. That and the fact that a 2GRFSE can push a BMEP 196 psi makes the 151 lb-ft just not make sense.

151 peak @ 6600 is terrible when paired with the 197 bhp @ 7000.

[tripjammer]

HIDS head lights now standard across the entire 2013 mustang lineup, including the V6!

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/15/2...aging-updates/


Ford even offers HID fog lights as a option...I never heard of HID fog lights...
So this makes it even a better chance that the HIDs will be standard in the Scion version of the FRS...ie High Spec based...but it depends on how they price the vehicle...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dimman

No. Peak torque is tuned for 6600 and just drops like crazy? I don't buy it.

This thing has more compression, likely better combustion, and likely less friction than an F20C which still manages an 800 rpm spread. At the rpms they both run for their peaks the friction is going to be way less on the FA20. That and the fact that a 2GRFSE can push a BMEP 196 psi makes the 151 lb-ft just not make sense.

151 peak @ 6600 is terrible when paired with the 197 bhp @ 7000.

The torque doesn't drop that much until past redline.

I just don't think they are printing fake materials to leak just to say at TMS "HAHA We fooled you!".

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The torque doesn't drop that much until past redline.

I just don't think they are printing fake materials to leak just to say at TMS "HAHA We fooled you!".

Maybe they're under promising with the leaks in order to really floor everyone when they do the official release in two weeks?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

Maybe they're under promising with the leaks in order to really floor everyone when they do the official release in two weeks?

Are we really going to be floored by 19 more ftlbs? Sure, I wouldn't mind it, but I'm fine with 151 too.. that's still more than my current cars have (stock) :P

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Are we really going to be floored by 19 more ftlbs? Sure, I wouldn't mind it, but I'm fine with 151 too.. that's still more than my current cars have (stock) :P

170 still better and will make a difference but until we drive it we won't know.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

Maybe they'll drop the bomb at TMS and give up a number around 215-220hp for the FR-S rather than all the rumored 197-200hp numbers popping up in magazines.

I'm not real familiar with Toyota when it comes to new cars, have they under-rated HP in the past? Perhaps the specs will list 200hp but once someone gets it on a dyno we'll be pleasantly surprised with a HP bump?

200PS(HP) is set in stone now. So no.

If it's not underrated it might be de-tuned. Remember Toyota is really pushing MPG and emissions marketing. The test drives were done on LRR eco tires.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

If it's not underrated it might be de-tuned. Remember Toyota is really pushing MPG and emissions marketing. The test drives were done on LRR eco tires.

It's possible they leaned the fuel way out, retarded timing and added a bunch of EGR... Hey, I can dream can't I?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by old greg

It's possible they leaned the fuel way out, retarded timing and added a bunch of EGR... Hey, I can dream can't I?

More like pigrich under load, retarded(the correct usage) timing at low RPM, EGR, PCV, and 3 catalytic converters with one mounted just off the exhaust manifold.

So yeah, 100% possible.

[serialk11r]

pigrich under load? How they gonna pass emissions :confused: If emissions standards are getting stricter...they have to be going more lean right?

[old greg]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

pigrich under load? How they gonna pass emissions :confused: If emissions standards are getting stricter...they have to be going more lean right?

That's what I'm talking about. If they're looking for low fuel consumption and low emissions, they would lean the mix out (more MPG, more NOx, less CO2) and use a bunch of EGR (less NOx).

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

pigrich under load? How they gonna pass emissions :confused: If emissions standards are getting stricter...they have to be going more lean right?

They run Stoich, which gives a cleaner burn, at lower loads and go rich under moderate-heavy loads. It varies.

Go read a guide to OBDII ECUs and current emission systems.

Edit: Lean burn would only be done under light loads like cruising. And it would require a separate NoX cat and only for limited amounts of time. The US has very strict NoX emission regulations.