Gen 1 face-lift 2017-2020 for SSC? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Balefire · 12-18-2021, 06:56 PM

Now that the 2021+ Gen 2 Street and ST classing is imminent, any ideas if the Gen 1 face-lift might be allowed in SSC?

If not anytime soon, I will help my young teenage son build his 2017 BRZ towards DS.
No desire for STX right now since he is a beginner.

JimV · 12-20-2021, 10:02 AM

I would be shocked if they added the 17-20s to SSC. The car count is healthy and there is no "car to have". The gearing changes in the 17+ would ruin a currently good thing imho.

steverife · 12-20-2021, 11:57 AM

SSC is doing great. It'd be foolish to do anything to mess with that formula right now.

strat61caster · 12-20-2021, 12:13 PM

I'd happily bet SSC remains unchanged for '22

If you want the facelift cars in there write a letter, imho I don't think it changes much, shorter rear end will help in a slow dig and bite you in the high speed stuff, but not throwing that wildcard into the equation is a good thing for a spec class.

cjd · 12-20-2021, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steverife

SSC is doing great. It'd be foolish to do anything to mess with that formula right now.

SCCA: "hold my beer"
Not sure what will happen, but I do think it'll be a few years. Unless maybe they put the new twins in STX...

cmiovino · 12-27-2021, 03:28 PM

Here's the comparison Grassroots Motorsports did in 2019:
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...fr-s-compared/

I went with the performance pack version, so I doubt the Brembos would be allowed from mine. But the 2017+ regular cars seem to be about dead even and it's very likely course dependent. However, you don't want nationals or something being effected by it if the course there more greatly favors one car over the other. The idea with SSC is to have them be identical.

OP, I'd say just build it for DS and get your son to learn.

ZDan · 12-28-2021, 10:45 AM

Course-dependent, but from looking at data between my '17 and my bud's '13 throughout the '18 season, they're pretty identical in performance. He got a '17 86 for this past season and speed plots for it fell right on top of his previous data with his '13. 4.3 vs. 4.1 isn't that huge a difference and as mentioned it will be very course-dependent which has the advantage. My guess is most courses it should be a wash...

cjd · 12-28-2021, 06:56 PM

They could always change to 235 tires and spec 40 for gen1 and 45 for gen2, try to make up the gearing difference.

We'll see.
Certainly offers some really good competition locally at least. Not that I'd keep up...
Then again, I have all these parts already.

12-18-2021, 06:56 PM	#1
Balefire Member Join Date: May 2021 Drives: Mazda 93 RX7 R1 Location: IL Posts: 19 Thanks: 3 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Gen 1 face-lift 2017-2020 for SSC? Now that the 2021+ Gen 2 Street and ST classing is imminent, any ideas if the Gen 1 face-lift might be allowed in SSC? If not anytime soon, I will help my young teenage son build his 2017 BRZ towards DS. No desire for STX right now since he is a beginner. __________________ '93 Mazda RX7 R1. '23 Acura Integra. '23 Subaru BRZ base. '17 Subaru BRZ PP (retired)

12-27-2021, 03:28 PM	#6
cmiovino Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Drives: 2017 BRZ PP, 2004 WRX Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 347 Thanks: 16 Thanked 249 Times in 157 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Here's the comparison Grassroots Motorsports did in 2019: https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...fr-s-compared/ I went with the performance pack version, so I doubt the Brembos would be allowed from mine. But the 2017+ regular cars seem to be about dead even and it's very likely course dependent. However, you don't want nationals or something being effected by it if the course there more greatly favors one car over the other. The idea with SSC is to have them be identical. OP, I'd say just build it for DS and get your son to learn. __________________ 2017 BRZ Limited Performance Pack - Steel Cities Region SCCA / North Hills Sports Car Club

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JimV Junior Member Join Date: May 2018 Drives: FRS Location: MI Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would be shocked if they added the 17-20s to SSC. The car count is healthy and there is no "car to have". The gearing changes in the 17+ would ruin a currently good thing imho.

12-20-2021, 11:57 AM	#3
steverife Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Drives: 2016 Scion FRS Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 458 Thanks: 52 Thanked 275 Times in 181 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	SSC is doing great. It'd be foolish to do anything to mess with that formula right now.

12-28-2021, 10:45 AM	#7
ZDan Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: '23 BRZ Location: Providence, RI Posts: 4,584 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,891 Times in 2,032 Posts Mentioned: 85 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Course-dependent, but from looking at data between my '17 and my bud's '13 throughout the '18 season, they're pretty identical in performance. He got a '17 86 for this past season and speed plots for it fell right on top of his previous data with his '13. 4.3 vs. 4.1 isn't that huge a difference and as mentioned it will be very course-dependent which has the advantage. My guess is most courses it should be a wash...

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