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I have a K-swapped BRZ. I don’t have a problem with Honda.
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Yeah, I was wondering what is appealing about the AWD or this car’s AWD system. There are more drivetrain losses because of the complexity, so less power gets put the ground. There is more weight over the same car without AWD. The CTR was faster around the Nurburgring than the R, RS and STI I believe, so AWD doesn’t equal better performance on tarmac. The CTR has an extra cylinder and 400 extra cc’s, so it may prove to be a better tuning platform, but I hear the GR’s motor is pretty solid with only issues with head lift or something. I was curious if everyone lives in the snow or plans to take this off-road. I’ve also heard the Haldex diff can get quite hot on these cars. I don’t know if that in all mods or just 30/70 because the clutch pack diff isn’t locked, but is slipping constantly. I’m sure the system is great off-road, but I wonder if it is more intrusive and complicated than enjoyable.
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That is your fault.
I can stand the things.
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When I say unintrusive, I mean something that doesn’t have too many nannies or that is too hard to sort out like how some have complained about certain active diffs. AWD systems or bad LSDs can be these things that seem to activate on their own time in very unpredictable ways. I drove the Golf R, and I wasn’t that impressed with the launch, but it was the manual. It didn’t hook up in dry conditions all too differently. I’ve seen a few reviews on the Yaris that made it seem a little lack luster over the 86 that I know to be sharp and playful and predictable. This is one review. I’m assuming someone would have to be really hooning the car to get it to misbehave like he says, which can be good and bad. Maybe the GRC is different. I just don’t know if many people will feel the different drive mods in terms of understeer or in terms of fun like they think they will, or maybe the system may feel really planted and totally live up to the expectations. Like I said, I’m just curious what is hitting people’s buttons about this car.
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Well, between the CTR and GRC, I'm sure the CTR is the better track car, even taking tire wear into consideration. Not the car for me tho, which is why I want the GRC, even if both were the same price.
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You would have to pay me, and then some for me to own a CTR. Then for me to drive it, I would require even more money plus other incentives. Because that is one ugly vehicle.
The GR Corolla checks all my boxes. Hatchback - Check 3cyl Engine goes Brrrrrr - Check Good Looking - Check AWD - Not necessary but is big plus Reliability - Check Again, hatchback. I will probably not be able to get one, not until they either get sold back to the dealer, or a lease gets returned, just how I got the BRZ. Not the end of the world If I can't get it in the next 2 years. Ideally, I would want to keep both the BRZ and the GRC. If I could get my hands on a GRC next year, I would absolutely have to part ways with the BRZ. I don't mind waiting.
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AWD is inherently heavier, more complex and results in more drivetrain losses, so less power gets put to the ground. It can make up for it in traction, but it isn't any type of guarantee, which is why the fastest times aren't AWD cars all the time. I don't think it is even half of the fastest times over two-wheeled-drive cars. The all-time lap record at a sanctioned Global Time Attack at Road Atlanta is this FWD Civic. Just saying. http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/08/...ztuning-civic/ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...7dH1bB/pubhtml https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...v73pJO/pubhtml https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...nxxpfv/pubhtml Quote:
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------------------------------- I think this is a fair review: buy the CTR to be the sharpest and most track friendly out of the box, buy the Golf R to be the best daily and winter car, and buy the Veloster N to be the most fun and best bargain. I wonder how the GRC will compare. I also think that Chris Harris is right when he says the GRY is a homologation special that belongs with a rare groups of cars, but I don't know if the GRC is just stealing some of that thunder without really living up in the same way. Will the GRC be overpriced compared to the competition without delivering on expectations. I don't know. I think it is cool, and I am glad Toyota is making it, and I think most owners will be happy with their purchase over alternatives, but I'm wondering if the price, power and weight penalty of the AWD system will be fully realized by the owners to do more than beat minivans and CUVs off the line.
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VW's AWD is FWD until traction is needed, right? The GRC is permanent AWD and can be really biased towards the rear, iirc.
Compared to the competitors, I'm assuming the GRC will slot in the middle. I think it's the best option for those like me who want a smaller car that could be fun to drive, but with best use of interior/cargo space. I'll never track the car (maybe do the HPDE that is supposedly included with it), but I don't need the best track times. I've had two Yarii in the past, one being a 3-door, and really wanted the GRY, but since that was never intended to be sold here, the GRC is the next best thing for me. |
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