Hill Start Assist?

[nikitopo]

Hill assist is for sissies. We were using M/T cars for decades without such nannies.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by mrg666

You can do both ways. When the hill is too steep heel and toe is better but it is harder to do. Best of luck to you learning how to drive manual

Best of luck with your false sense of superiority 😘

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Reserve my beer, tcoat. Heel and toe is the way to start on a hill. We lived on a hill when I was a kid just like the picture above. My dad had showed me how to do heel and toe as the best way to start (and also parallel park) on that hill.

The bet was that I get the beer that sombody would say that.
I have never had to heel and toe a hill in my life and that includes very large military vehicles in the Bavarian Alps. Mind you I have never once used the handbrake as well.
Driving a MT is not some special mad skill that only a select few can do and to glorify starting on a hill as a major achievement is just silly.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have never had to heel and toe a hill in my life and that includes very large military vehicles in the Bavarian Alps. Mind you I have never once used the handbrake as well.

I had to, but not the same way being described here.

When I was growing up, we had British sports cars. A large part of my learning was done in my dad's MGB. That car had a racing cam in it that put all the torque in the higher RPMs and next to nothing at low RPMs, because once you got going on a track you didn't really need low RPM torque. I don't really know why he chose that cam for a vehicle that never saw a track. He also had it leaned out to the point that it wouldn't idle; you had to feather the gas pedal at red lights to keep it running. And we lived on a hill.

In that car, when you came to a stop on a hill and put your right foot on the brake, the car would quit. You had to heel-toe the gas and brake to keep it running. The handbrake was there but not really a great option because the ratchet that locked it tended to catch when you tried to release it, screwing up the pedal dance you were doing to get it moving. I couldn't get the throttle right for taking off with my heel, so I would have to heel-toe the gas, then quickly move my toe off the brake to the gas pedal, give it a lot of gas and let the clutch out fairly quickly.

Luckily I lived on a quiet street with very little traffic, so I had a place to practice. Driving that thing made hill starts in the '59 Apache and the TR6 a breeze. The S10 that came later practically felt like it launched itself.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I had to, but not the same way being described here.

When I was growing up, we had British sports cars. A large part of my learning was done in my dad's MGB. That car had a racing cam in it that put all the torque in the higher RPMs and next to nothing at low RPMs, because once you got going on a track you didn't really need low RPM torque. I don't really know why he chose that cam for a vehicle that never saw a track. He also had it leaned out to the point that it wouldn't idle; you had to feather the gas pedal at red lights to keep it running. And we lived on a hill.

In that car, when you came to a stop on a hill and put your right foot on the brake, the car would quit. You had to heel-toe the gas and brake to keep it running. The handbrake was there but not really a great option because the ratchet that locked it tended to catch when you tried to release it, screwing up the pedal dance you were doing to get it moving. I couldn't get the throttle right for taking off with my heel, so I would have to heel-toe the gas, then quickly move my toe off the brake to the gas pedal, give it a lot of gas and let the clutch out fairly quickly.

Luckily I lived on a quiet street with very little traffic, so I had a place to practice. Driving that thing made hill starts in the '59 Apache and the TR6 a breeze. The S10 that came later practically felt like it launched itself.

Can totally see how it would be required in that circumstance.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The bet was that I get the beer that sombody would say that.
I have never had to heel and toe a hill in my life and that includes very large military vehicles in the Bavarian Alps. Mind you I have never once used the handbrake as well.
Driving a MT is not some special mad skill that only a select few can do and to glorify starting on a hill as a major achievement is just silly.

Yep, never have done heel & toe. Including driving a loaded rig like this, one winter, at age 17, between Paris, KY and Huntington, WV. And yes, it was before the Interstate was built, so it was uphill both ways ...... but it wasn't snowing .....

Why didn't I heel & toe ....... because, unless you had a shoe size 18 foot with a deformed ankle ...... it was impossible.


humfrz

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

Best of luck with your false sense of superiority 😘

Isn't this what is done in any MT/AT discussion by the MT elitists? Then, start a thread for hill assist? What was the point most commonly coming up? Better connection to the car only possible if you drive MT, right? Isn't this now just the opposite time after time claimed in this forum? I just found this discussion to be so disingenuous and gave you guys back the same. See, you felt the same way. Actually, you were right! Even I don't care about how you do hill start.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The bet was that I get the beer that sombody would say that.
I have never had to heel and toe a hill in my life and that includes very large military vehicles in the Bavarian Alps. Mind you I have never once used the handbrake as well.
Driving a MT is not some special mad skill that only a select few can do and to glorify starting on a hill as a major achievement is just silly.

Am I not getting a beer from someone who drove very large trucks on the Bavarian Alps, now? Anyway,

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Am I not getting a beer from someone who drove very large trucks on the Bavarian Alps, now? Anyway,

Nope. You owe me one. Bad timing though since exactly a year ago today I was actually driving through upstate New York. Maybe next summer.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Isn't this what is done in any MT/AT discussion by the MT elitists? Then, start a thread for hill assist? What was the point most commonly coming up? Better connection to the car only possible if you drive MT, right? Isn't this now just the opposite time after time claimed in this forum? I just found this discussion to be so disingenuous and gave you guys back the same. See, you felt the same way. Actually, you were right! Even I don't care about how you do hill start.

My DD is AT and my BRZ is MT. I enjoy both.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nope. You owe me one. Bad timing though since exactly a year ago today I was actually driving through upstate New York. Maybe next summer.

Driving a very large military vehicle, going uphill most of the ways and the clutch linkage was binding and the parking brake was rusted open and the accelerator linkage would stick and the brakes were shot and you were loaded with unstable high explosives .......??

Gotta go ....... mrs humfrz says it's time for my weekly shower ......


humfrz

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nope. You owe me one. Bad timing though since exactly a year ago today I was actually driving through upstate New York. Maybe next summer.

Anytime you are around here. Drop me a PM. I should really adjust my trolling indicators. I fooled even you this time

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Driving a very large military vehicle, going uphill most of the ways and the clutch linkage was binding and the parking brake was rusted open and the accelerator linkage would stick and the brakes were shot and you were loaded with unstable high explosives .......??

Gotta go ....... mrs humfrz says it's time for my weekly shower ......


humfrz

No driving a Mitsubishi RVR on the way back from Atlantic City 4th of July vacation.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Anytime you are around here. Drop me a PM. I should really adjust my trolling indicators. I fooled even you this time

The MT debate can bring out the worst in even the best here so a good troll can go unnoticed. I did think you were a bit off normal though.