Subaru previews next-generation BRZ, announces November 18th unveiling date

[mazeroni]

You all are crazy. Performance badging matters. It tells the customer that a team of driving experts and engineers made great efforts to maximize road handling, exciting, and driver involvment in their products at every stage of development. No way would a company dilute that just to sell a product at a higher price to uninformed people.



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[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by JesseG

Hey we don’t know until it’s actually released in 2023



Kidding aside, I hope they at least strongly considered using TNGA. The new WRX platform could be awesome also. I’m not sure how modular that is though.


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The only TNGA RWD cars they have are the Lexus LS, Lexus LC, Toyota Crown and upcoming Toyota Mirai. Those are all big and heavy as shit luxury cars.

There would have to be a business case for a small RWD TNGA platform variant, and one car would not likely be enough to justify it, especially as this is mostly a niche market with low sales. plus it'd have to be a ground up redesign to get it TNGA which the next gen 86 is not.

MAYBE if they happened to make a next gen Supra, the third brother MR2 or SFR or something, and a new 86 all come out within a year or 2 of each other they MIGHT be able to justify a having that smaller RWD TNGA variant.
hell throw in a RWD small TNGA van for more small RWD cars and i think they could do it lol.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

Hey we don’t know until it’s actually released in 2023



Kidding aside, I hope they at least strongly considered using TNGA. The new WRX platform could be awesome also. I’m not sure how modular that is though.


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Sure they considered using the Toyota platform. Then they all had a good laugh and sent it all over to Subaru. If they were going to make an all Toyota car they would have done it back in 2009 not change now. It sure as hell would not be made in a Subaru plant though.


Not sure how modular the Subaru global platform is?


By 2024 ALL of their lineup will be built on it. That means it will range from sub compact cars like the Pleo right up to the Ascent and everything in between. They are already over half way to converting them all over to it. They have very clearly and publicly stated this.


The biggest confusion seems to come from the use of the word "platform". People picture this as a prebuilt structure such as... well... a platform. It isn't. Toyota uses a much better and less confusing term when they call it a "Global Architecture". The "platform" that Subaru refers to is not a physical structure that they adapt for each car it is a common design concept to components that they apply to all their chassis. Think of it more like a set of Lego with common pieces that can be assembled in many different forms than a standard prebuilt structure that they alter to make work for each vehicle. The new WRX will share a platform with the Pleo and the Ascent but it will be a very different chassis than them.


https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...lobal-platform


I have no idea if they have changed over to the new SUBARU platform for the 2nd gen Twins but would be very surprised if they didn't. It makes little business sense to spend a billion dollars (yes that is an official number) to develop a global architecture just to leave one model out of the program.
But a lot of what the industry doesn't seem to make sense since we are not privy to the data that drives their plans.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have no idea if they have changed over to the new SUBARU platform for the 2nd gen Twins but would be very surprised if they didn't.

Depends on how long they plan to make the 2nd gen twins. If they plan on keeping it for another 7+ years, then yeah, I can see them adapting it to the new Subi platform/architecture. If, however, they have a shorter life cycle in mind, maybe 5 years or so, I could see them sticking with the 1st gen platform if it was still feasible. It would all come down to the numbers and what presented the lowest risk and best return on investment.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Red-86

Depends on how long they plan to make the 2nd gen twins. If they plan on keeping it for another 7+ years, then yeah, I can see them adapting it to the new Subi platform/architecture. If, however, they have a shorter life cycle in mind, maybe 5 years or so, I could see them sticking with the 1st gen platform if it was still feasible. It would all come down to the numbers and what presented the lowest risk and best return on investment.

Exactly! Although I would guess at a shorter planned run if they kept it the same as now. Maybe 3 years. Anything much more than that then the reduced manufacturing complexity would more than pay for the platform change. It cost way more money to manufacture the variations in vehicles than many people would think.

[sato]

Originally Posted by HKz

they sure look similar, but they ain't the same ^^

Yeah, one has GRMN written somewhere on the wheel and costs 2x as much as the other one!

[Sasquachulator]

The upcoming Lexus IS is heavily refreshed, and not a complete redesign. Its still on its current "Toyota New N" architecture and not on TNGA
(maybe they've "moved" it to the Frankenstein platform the RC uses..which would still be Toyota New N....) Since the car is rumored to die or go full electric in around 2024 Toyota probably didnt want to invest the dollars if they didnt think the car will make it past 2024.

So it wouldnt be unbelievable to think the next gen twins still use some form of its modified impreza platform and not the new subaru global one if the car is getting a heavy refresh as opposed to a ground up redesign.

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well how about we link the actual Subaru information instead of some Instagram quasi news.
https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/future-vehicles.html

I like that they have a "sign up for updates" button.
It's as if they don't realize this forum has better news sources than they do

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

I like that they have a "sign up for updates" button.
It's as if they don't realize this forum has better news sources than they do

Well that depends on what you class as "news"!

[Opie]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is NOT using the damned TNGA platform nor a Toyota engine. It is the same old platform with a different engine and some body panel changes.
It is almost exclusively a Subaru product to built in a Subaru plant. Those old rumours are just silly and need not be perpetuated!

It's the v2 Subaru Global Platform...an improved (from current) platform

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

The upcoming Lexus IS is heavily refreshed, and not a complete redesign. Its still on its current "Toyota New N" architecture and not on TNGA
(maybe they've "moved" it to the Frankenstein platform the RC uses..which would still be Toyota New N....) Since the car is rumored to die or go full electric in around 2024 Toyota probably didnt want to invest the dollars if they didnt think the car will make it past 2024.

So it wouldnt be unbelievable to think the next gen twins still use some form of its modified impreza platform and not the new subaru global one if the car is getting a heavy refresh as opposed to a ground up redesign.

The current platform is not a "heavily modified" Impreza platform. It is a whole different platform "based on" the old Impreza one. I know that seems like a minor point but "modified" and "based on" are actually two different things.
Modified implies they just took the platform and chopped it up a bit. Based on means they took some design cues and used them in the final product.


Toyota had a longer term plan for changing over to the TNGA platform than Subaru right from the start. Subaru's plan to have everything there by 2024 is actually pretty aggressive.
The hybrid/electric adaptability are the main reason that both companies are going to a single platform system. Both are easily adaptable for alternative power systems right from the start where many of the old ones are simply not suitable. It is this adaptability that made it laughable when the rumour started that the Twins would go to the TNGA platform because the Subaru one "can not be adapted to RWD"! Whoever started that piece of fiction obviously has no concept of how a universal platform works.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Opie

It's the v2 Subaru Global Platform...an improved (from current) platform

Perfect!

[vh_supra26]

Even the fake news and retarded youtuber thought the wheels were the same.

https://www.motor1.com/news/447232/2...ru-brz-teaser/

[Bluefire98]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Even the fake news and retarded youtuber thought the wheels were the same.

https://www.motor1.com/news/447232/2...ru-brz-teaser/

Hey beats Prius tires right?