'17 configurator online

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by DustinS

It's worth noting that the Brembos alone are almost $3K a side (at least in the one parts list I have seen posted). So $1200 is a crazy deal.

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No doubt if you want them or will use them (or if this is something you will try to upgrade to in the future) you should definitely get the PP, but I think we should keep in mind that there are people that would be throwing money away by buying something that will never be used, needed or wanted. After all the PP is $1200 that's less than what it would cost to do it on your own.. but its not free.

As a side note, I became less interested after reading an early review that stated that the dampers were only slightly firmer which decreased the ride quality enough to be less comfortable (completely paraphrasing that lol). Also I had my doubts about whether I wanted to limit myself to wheels that can fit over the larger calipers, I'm thinking winter wheels or maybe even 16" rpf1's.

All in all the performance package is pretty awesome though but value isn't everything, there are legit reasons not to opt for it. I could probably go on and on defending both sides of this because I was stuck on the fence for a while.

[Zaku]

Alternatively, at least for early adopters who might have gotten killer deals on a none PP. you could just add on BBK later, it's not like the aftermarket brakes are bad or anything. I understand the whole warranty situation, but talking to some people here who are getting 1000 or more off their BRZ limited.

Let's talk some numbers here and just in case people are wondering. Yes I'm a pretty reliable source I'm sure most of the forums will vouch for me.

So say you are an early adopter and you go out to get a BRZ Limited let's say for this example it had PP3

You get around invoice and or below and you get to walk out the door

$28,600(let's do VA tax of 5%)

That's a pretty good deal. Now say you want a car with PP and in this example you get the same BRZ limited PP3 now with PP package. But you get lucky and your dealer is willing to sell it to you at invoice(not below but at invoice) car is at invoice and PP is at invoice

OTD would be about $31800hmm I guess that's not too bad. But here's the real thing ....so the PP at invoice is about1000$ , the different OTD is currently at $3200 tax/fees included subtract that PP part then you're at $2200 higher.

Now that was the good dealer scenario, now things could change for example
If the car has PP1 or PP2 you're looking at about

$32,800-$33,100 so now for your PP you just went up $4000OTD compared to a None PP car, your almost at 5500 lower if you want a BRZ premium and about 3800 less if you want an 86

Hmm suddenly.... Buying it separately or buying the one with out starting to look better.

Ok no let's be realistic, the number of PP cars initially let's say will likely be small, because hey Subaru has to sell some of the Yellow Series cars too. So let's say it's Optismistically January and PP cars arrive to Lots.

Likely you won't get them at Invoice, and more at MSRP and then let's not even go into Dealer mark up and how loaded the cars may be to generate more money for dealers.

Suddenly your OTD is now

$34500 ish

At this point you're prolly asking yourself why am I gonna spend almost double what this car is actually worth or its class. Remember these cars are suppose to be in the 25,000 fun affordable package. You might as well buy an STI.

But hey to each their own and if you can afford it go ahead! I'm just helping people be informed.

So now you have the early adopters who saved 1000$-2000$ as the years roll by they get used to the car and they say hey my warranty is up in gonna get a BBK and go hard core racing. Point is you're totally not missing out on the PP in fact you saving extra money could mean other parts for you money you can do other stuff with, the guys that had the cars before us the 2012-2016 guys for by fine with out PP.

So all I'm saying is search yourself do you track? Do you AutoX? ( in terms of Auto X think how long till they move your brake advantage out of stock class?) or are you someone daily driving, is his your first car? Etc. choose what is right for you but also realize that,

They have to make money somewhere too.

[deejaylew]

"It’s important to note that I only experienced this new BRZ under track conditions – no portion of the drive occurred on regular roads. I can intuit that the newly free traction control settings will make the BRZ a friendlier backroad companion, and that the revised steering will be recognized by Sunday drivers, as well. But the primary difference offered by the Performance Package upgrades would seem to be lost on casual driving; it’s fair to say I’ll need a longer test at home to know for sure. Truth be told, I liked the slightly softer setup of the standard car, even on Fuji, with its progressive body roll (slight though it is) keeping me very in tune with every bit of mid-corner slippage."

Have to link to a cached version of the website, it appears to be down right now.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us


So you probably cant go wrong with either version of the car, just trying to help everyone make an informed decision.

[ztrevs]

FWIW, Subaru.ca is giving options to build 17's with full kit (as added accessory).
Maybe you fellow Americans can cross the border to snag one up. Our dollar is pretty much a lost cause.

[Psilox]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Ok no let's be realistic, the number of PP cars initially let's say will likely be small, because hey Subaru has to sell some of the Yellow Series cars too. So let's say it's Optismistically January and PP cars arrive to Lots.

Likely you won't get them at Invoice, and more at MSRP and then let's not even go into Dealer mark up and how loaded the cars may be to generate more money for dealers.

Suddenly your OTD is now

$34500 ish

At this point you're prolly asking yourself why am I gonna spend almost double what this car is actually worth or its class. Remember these cars are suppose to be in the 25,000 fun affordable package. You might as well buy an STI.

I don't know, I've been repeatedly quoted right around 28.5k for a Limited with PP (via special order even). Taking one quote as an example, that's only 3k above what they were quoting for for a Premium. That's not with all applicable taxes and fees (I think), but the delta should be the same 3k between them regardless. Is there something I'm missing here?

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by ztrevs

FWIW, Subaru.ca is giving options to build 17's with full kit.
Maybe you fellow Americans can cross the border to snag one up. Our dollar is pretty much a lost cause.

Assume you mean the accessories - Canadian BRZs have exactly zero options other than transmission choice.

Anyone know what the rearview mirror adapter is? @$21.61

[ztrevs]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Assume you mean the accessories - Canadian BRZs have exactly zero options other than transmission choice.

Anyone know what the rearview mirror adapter is? @$21.61

As an accessory yes.
Not even an option for front lip on .com!

Maybe the adapter is for the auto dimming mirror that is available for US as an accessory but just not yet available here in Canada?
That would be my best guess.

[Elleteeh]

Originally Posted by ztrevs

FWIW, Subaru.ca is giving options to build 17's with full kit (as added accessory).
Maybe you fellow Americans can cross the border to snag one up. Our dollar is pretty much a lost cause.

The front lip on your .ca site is the old lip not the new one.

[deejaylew]

Any of the guys with MY17 BRZs weigh the stock wheels yet??? Wondering if the design change has any function or if it's just aesthetic.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Psilox

I don't know, I've been repeatedly quoted right around 28.5k for a Limited with PP (via special order even). Taking one quote as an example, that's only 3k above what they were quoting for for a Premium. That's not with all applicable taxes and fees (I think), but the delta should be the same 3k between them regardless. Is there something I'm missing here?

I'm sorry I don't understand your post, but let me try to break it down.

So you're saying you've been quoted 28.5k for a Limited with PP? I'm going to assume this is a price before tax tags and title and fees because if this isn't and it's an OTD that's one heck of a deal where the dealer makes no money at all, and I can't imagine any dealer wanting to see you a brand new ordered car at a lost. This number looks like you got a car near or at invoice plus the PP. I'm going to assume this car possibly have nothing or Popular package 3(mirror, cargo try etc.) don't go by the website because the package option is still broken.

So take

$28,500

And I'm going to assume you're in MA because your tag says Boston

The tax, title and fee is:

$2150

Say your dealer has a processing fee(recently many dealers have been required to charge theses,Some you can have waved)

$299

Lastly let's say there's what ever else unforeseen and you need to pay something more just in case this can be ignored if you want

$99

You should be looking at an OTD of

$31,048

That's pretty good, but it's still around the ball park of the numbers mentioned in the first post.

Are they just about 3000$ apart, yes you're just about that, it depends on the state.

The PP invoice should be close to $1060 if I remember correctly.

So 3000$ is that delta, you could be near it or lower than or more, in your case the number you presented is about 2500$

This is also assuming that you're getting a Limited below invoice it seems, it's quite low in this sample but not impossible.

Hope this break down helps, the 34.5k sample is of a Limited at MSRP with Mark up a worst case scene rio. I highly doubt our educated forums members would pay that without talking it down close to 31k avg which is the invoice BRZ with nothing but a PP added(no popular package)

[Psilox]

Originally Posted by Zaku

I'm sorry I don't understand your post, but let me try to break it down.

So you're saying you've been quoted 28.5k for a Limited with PP? I'm going to assume this is a price before tax tags and title and fees because if this isn't and it's an OTD that's one heck of a deal where the dealer makes no money at all, and I can't imagine any dealer wanting to see you a brand new ordered car at a lost. This number looks like you got a car near or at invoice plus the PP. I'm going to assume this car possibly have nothing or Popular package 3(mirror, cargo try etc.) don't go by the website because the package option is still broken.

So take

$28,500

And I'm going to assume you're in MA because your tag says Boston

The tax, title and fee is:

$2150

Say your dealer has a processing fee(recently many dealers have been required to charge theses,Some you can have waved)

$299

Lastly let's say there's what ever else unforeseen and you need to pay something more just in case this can be ignored if you want

$99

You should be looking at an OTD of

$31,048

That's pretty good, but it's still around the ball park of the numbers mentioned in the first post.

Are they just about 3000$ apart, yes you're just about that, it depends on the state.

The PP invoice should be close to $1060 if I remember correctly.

So 3000$ is that delta, you could be near it or lower than or more, in your case the number you presented is about 2500$

This is also assuming that you're getting a Limited below invoice it seems, it's quite low in this sample but not impossible.

Hope this break down helps, the 34.5k sample is of a Limited at MSRP with Mark up a worst case scene rio. I highly doubt our educated forums members would pay that without talking it down close to 31k avg which is the invoice BRZ with nothing but a PP added(no popular package)

Yeah, that absolutely helps me understand what you were saying! I think, in an excessively long-winded fashion, I was trying to say that it doesn't seem to be too hard to get the "good dealer" scenario considering I've been consistently quoted at about that ~3k delta. YMMV, of course, but shopping around for quotes online should yield similar results.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by Zaku

I'm sorry I don't understand your post, but let me try to break it down.

So you're saying you've been quoted 28.5k for a Limited with PP? I'm going to assume this is a price before tax tags and title and fees because if this isn't and it's an OTD that's one heck of a deal where the dealer makes no money at all, and I can't imagine any dealer wanting to see you a brand new ordered car at a lost. This number looks like you got a car near or at invoice plus the PP. I'm going to assume this car possibly have nothing or Popular package 3(mirror, cargo try etc.) don't go by the website because the package option is still broken.

So take

$28,500

And I'm going to assume you're in MA because your tag says Boston

The tax, title and fee is:

$2150

Say your dealer has a processing fee(recently many dealers have been required to charge theses,Some you can have waved)

$299

Lastly let's say there's what ever else unforeseen and you need to pay something more just in case this can be ignored if you want

$99

You should be looking at an OTD of

$31,048

That's pretty good, but it's still around the ball park of the numbers mentioned in the first post.

Are they just about 3000$ apart, yes you're just about that, it depends on the state.

The PP invoice should be close to $1060 if I remember correctly.

So 3000$ is that delta, you could be near it or lower than or more, in your case the number you presented is about 2500$

This is also assuming that you're getting a Limited below invoice it seems, it's quite low in this sample but not impossible.

Hope this break down helps, the 34.5k sample is of a Limited at MSRP with Mark up a worst case scene rio. I highly doubt our educated forums members would pay that without talking it down close to 31k avg which is the invoice BRZ with nothing but a PP added(no popular package)

I've been quoted ~$26,500 (DMV fees included) for a limited with no options from a couple dealers.
No sales tax in Oregon though.
So ~$28,000 with the PP seems easily attainable, without tax of course.

[Psilox]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

I've been quoted ~$26,500 (DMV fees included) for a limited with no options from a couple dealers.
No sales tax in Oregon though.
So ~$28,000 with the PP seems easily attainable, without tax of course.

Yep, that's my exact experience in Oregon with quotes thus far. It seems very reasonable to get a Limited PP there, especially without the tax.