COVID Developments and News

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Even with 100% compliance and support, it was going to mutated regardless.
and like you said the majority of people who died are unvaccinated, so why do you care so much.
Get vaccinated and be done with it.
Most of the world and our country has moved on. You should too.

Everything in life has an inherent risk. Its an unfortunate part of life, is that its fleeting and can be taken away at any moment by an abundance of things well beyond just covid.

Over 42% of people in the USA are obese and approximately 13% smoke.
This is their choice and right to do so. But when these 2 categories that are by choice make up the largest portion of covid deaths... people should help themselves first before expecting someone else to help them.

The impact and risk that an unvaccinated person has on a non smoking, non obese, fully vaccinated individual is almost nothing at all. So don't smoke, don't be obese, and get fully vaccinated and move on with your life.


Some people want to be victims and blame everyone else for everything wrong in the world.

Other people take ownership and responsibly for their own lives and do what they can to provide the best life for themselves and their family.

The first statement is false. The largest proportion of deaths are among the unvaccinated.

Which brings me to the second highlighted point.

Once those clowns opened the door for Delta and Omicron and it became apparent that the vaccines, even though their effectiveness was compromised by the actions of selfish, brainless, idiots, still protected most of the vaccinated against severe, life threatening disease, I, for the most part, quit caring. It became Darwinian, and I am not inclined to fight nature.

I do make an exception for the poor folks who because of an unrelated medical condition are at much higher risk of severe disease and death even thought they are vaccinated. Those people, I still care about. which brings me to the major differences among us here. Some give a shit about people other than themselves. Some do not.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

Some give a shit about people other than themselves. Some do not.

Thank you once again for stepping in to express precisely what I have many times tried and failed to do so myself. It's too painful to read expressions filled with such contempt for others. I get too worked up over it.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

The first statement is false. The largest proportion of deaths are among the unvaccinated.

Which brings me to the second highlighted point.

Once those clowns opened the door for Delta and Omicron and it became apparent that the vaccines, even though their effectiveness was compromised by the actions of selfish, brainless, idiots, still protected most of the vaccinated against severe, life threatening disease, I, for the most part, quit caring. It became Darwinian, and I am not inclined to fight nature.

I do make an exception for the poor folks who because of an unrelated medical condition are at much higher risk of severe disease and death even thought they are vaccinated. Those people, I still care about. which brings me to the major differences among us here. Some give a shit about people other than themselves. Some do not.

1st statement is false?
you are saying if everyone was onboard in the USA it would not mutate at all?
You know the logistics alone involved in getting everyone vaccinated?
The rate of rolling out the vaccine? the QTY we had of the vaccine? From the time the first wave of people where eligible till everyone became eligible it probably mutated 5-10 different times alone. and that isnt even factoring in other countries mutating and brining the mutation here.

The largest proportion of deaths are among the unvaccinated



What actions an individual takes upon himself, vs what action you mandate and require them to take is completely different.

How do you know someone who is fully apposed to mandates, isn't vaccinated and/or donating time and money and doing 1000x more then you or anyone else, yet they fully are against government intervention in forcing people to take action. That is the difference.

One side doesn't want to do shit but force everyone else to do shit, and bitch and whine about not enough being done while they are doing nothing about it, thinking their great contribution is just bitching and whining without doing or adding anything of real value.

The other side doesn't want anyone forcing them to do something, but is more often more then willing and capable of taking ownership and responsibility for themselves and their families, and will also more often go out and help others in their communities.

Compared the two sides and look at what side is more charitable in donating both their money and time.

One side wants to make it a government enforced requirement to donate money and time (welfare and reparations for example) while simultaneously not trying to actually do it them selves when questions who is doing or paying for it.

The other side wants to make it optional not forcing or requiring anything of anyone while simultaneously taking the action themselves to help out.

[dpfarr]

To be sure, yes, there would be a significant inhibitory factor in the frequency of mutations due to transmission and acquisition. If you’re willing to explain some of the structural protein mutations and their function, go ahead. I’m sure everyone else is interested in your epidemiology bona fide too. So please include your earliest projections of transmission rates layered over mutation frequency and vaccination rates.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Most of the world and our country has moved on. You should too.

Why are you still here then?

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Why are you still here then?

Not the one complaining about everyone else.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by dpfarr

To be sure, yes, there would be a significant inhibitory factor in the frequency of mutations due to transmission and acquisition. If you’re willing to explain some of the structural protein mutations and their function, go ahead. I’m sure everyone else is interested in your epidemiology bona fide too. So please include your earliest projections of transmission rates layered over mutation frequency and vaccination rates.

What is your claim or argument?

That you think if 100% of people in the country got vaccinated as soon as they where eligible and it was physically available for everyone that no mutation would take place?

You think everyone had access to it simultaneously on day one?


FDA approves emergency use starting dec 11 2020 for specific people starting the slow phase roll out process. April 19 2021 all American adults are eligible or approx 78% of population. Eligibility vs accessibility is another story as many people attempted and where unable until sometime later as demand was too great. Now imagine if demand at the time was drastically higher… but even based on eligibility it was a 5month roll out. During which time the virus had mutated dozens of times.


“COVID-19 mutates approximately every 11-15 days”

As of april 2021 “coronavirus currently has 12,700 identified mutations, 12 main types of the virus (identified as 19 A, the original type, through 20 J), five strains and almost 4000 variants”

There where also a handful of “variants of interest” or “variants of concern” that popped up very late 2020 or early 2021. During the vaccine rollout.

It was literally mutating and having new variants the entire time… regardless or peoples willingness or support it was already mutating regardless.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

It matters when you are making laws and mandates and forcing people to do it.

It is not some advertising on TV to try and get you to do something or buy something out of your own volition and they are trying to convince you that its something you want or need but you have a choice.

It is something you are being forced by the government to do/take at the consequence of losing your livelihood if you don't. So the accuracy of what it does and doesn't do is incredibly vital.

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Not the one complaining about everyone else.

Ok.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Ok.

So then you think mandates and laws should be based off of false advertising?

[Lantanafrs2]

If we all wear masks we'll be ok

[soundman98]

many mandates and laws are, as they are still subject to the whims of public outcry and political motivations that don't always seek to develop a full understanding of the thing they want to impose upon.

but that's a very different rabbit hole...

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

So then you think mandates and laws should be based off of false advertising?

They are what they are. I've moved on.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

If we all wear masks we'll be ok

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

If we all wear masks we'll be ok

lol