How bad are all season tires?

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Dake

D'oh... I read I promise!

To be fair, our cars were engineered to fit 4 wheels with tires in stock size, so the " I can't fit another set" is bologna. A real dedicated professional would jump at the chance to drive every day with his track tires in the back!!!!

[sodjer]

Originally Posted by weederr33

You could go for all seasons, but you could also keep your oem tires for winter/ fall, and the have the summers during warmer months. But if you don't want to swap tires, then you can always get a good all-season. I had Continental DWS-06 tires on my previous FRS and loved them.

I second the DWS 06's if you decide to go with all-seasons. I just picked up my second set, with 40k out of the first set. I strongly considered going to a summer performance tire since I picked up a set of winter tires for the stock wheels, however knowing our climate stuck with a phenomenal performing all-season.

When my winter vehicle blew up unexpectedly last year I was able to get around in 4" of snow with them, mostly ok... Never got stuck but came close a couple times.

Though to open another can of worms, after picking up a dedicated winter tire I was completely blown away how much fun and easy the car was to drive with them. Plus since my truck died we had the worst winter we've seen in like 25 years lol...

[qcbaker]

My experiences:

When I bought my car, it came with a set of Accelera PHI R all season tires. They were basically fine during the summer/fall regular driving, but utterly useless the first time it snowed. I got stuck and had to leave my car in a parking lot and get a ride home from AAA.

Next week, I switched to a set of Blizzak WS80 winter tires. It snowed again pretty quickly after that, and the difference was staggering. When I was on the all seasons, I was sliding all over the place. Every time I tried to pull away from a stop, the rear wheels would just spin and spin. On the Blizzaks, I never had any problems. I watched big AWD SUVs sliding around and I just drove around them. Personally, I probably wont ever run all-seasons on this car ever again.

Switched to Firehawk Indy 500s for the summer and have been loving them so far.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by qcbaker

My experiences:

When I bought my car, it came with a set of Accelera PHI R all season tires. They were basically fine during the summer/fall regular driving, but utterly useless the first time it snowed. I got stuck and had to leave my car in a parking lot and get a ride home from AAA.

Next week, I switched to a set of Blizzak WS80 winter tires. It snowed again pretty quickly after that, and the difference was staggering. When I was on the all seasons, I was sliding all over the place. Every time I tried to pull away from a stop, the rear wheels would just spin and spin. On the Blizzaks, I never had any problems. I watched big AWD SUVs sliding around and I just drove around them. Personally, I probably wont ever run all-seasons on this car ever again.

Switched to Firehawk Indy 500s for the summer and have been loving them so far.

Since ol @Tcoat has limited internet access, I'll sit in and respond for him.

"Obviously, @qcbaker, you don't know how to drive on snow covered roads and are blaming your inability on all season tires -

I have been driving on snow covered Canadian roads for over 40 years with no problems. Most of my tires were bias ply, retreads with the cords showing.

So, learn how to drive on snowy roads or move to Hawaii and buy a Civic!"

for @Tcoat by humfrz


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[gravitylover]

^^Haha!

Originally Posted by Leonardo

I had a set Michelin A/S + (they were replaced by the A/S3) and they feel more like a summer tire than an A/S. I'm not saying they are a perfect tire for everyone, but as tires for DD go, they are really really good, especially if it rains a bunch where you are. Having said that, I replaced the A/S+ with MPSS. And ran MPSS for 5 sets of tires. Im going to get MPS4S next though.

How many miles do you have on your car? 6 sets of tires ought to last 175,000 miles at least unless you drive like a 25 year old The least I've gotten out of a set on this car is about 25k on winters that were driven right into the summer on hot pavement otherwise it's been 40k or so for all seasons. I've just put the third set of 3 season tires on and I'm at 115k now.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by gravitylover

^^Haha!



How many miles do you have on your car? 6 sets of tires ought to last 175,000 miles at least unless you drive like a 25 year old The least I've gotten out of a set on this car is about 25k on winters that were driven right into the summer on hot pavement otherwise it's been 40k or so for all seasons. I've just put the third set of 3 season tires on and I'm at 115k now.

Almost 80k, but the roads where I live are old rough country roads. I destroy tires. Im @ 8k or so on my current set, want new ones already.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Dake

and put a set of RE-71s or Pilot SSes for track/AutoX. (this is basically what I did).

Recommending someone buy one of those two tires side by side is like recommending buying a good second car like a brand new Cayman GT4 or a used NC Miata.


*Buying my fourth set of RE71R's this week which will be my 8th set of tires for this car at 78k miles.
Edit: none of them were all seasons

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Since ol @Tcoat has limited internet access, I'll sit in and respond for him.

"Obviously, @qcbaker, you don't know how to drive on snow covered roads and are blaming your inability on all season tires -

I have been driving on snow covered Canadian roads for over 40 years with no problems. Most of my tires were bias ply, retreads with the cords showing.

So, learn how to drive on snowy roads or move to Hawaii and buy a Civic!"

for @Tcoat by humfrz


humfrz

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Let me do Hum!

I remember back in the day when I was assigned to go investigate the affect the encroaching glaciers had upon the feeding ground of the woolly mammoth. I gathered up my assistant Axle and secretary Mimi (she had a pair of mukluks that would keep you warm all night if you know what I mean), we grabbed our stone axes and clay fertility symbols and off we went. When we reached the edge of the plains and the forest started to thin we stopped for a few days and chopped down a couple of trees to make a travois for Mimi to pull (it is women's work). After a few miles Mimi started to complain that the strap was hurting her mukluks since the contraption was too hard to pull. I got the idea that if we put another log in front of the travois it could roll over it. That worked better but then Axle and I were kept very busy putting the log back in front. Eventually he had the idea of cutting two small section of logs and attaching them together with a small bar (ya he named that part after himself the conceited bastard) which we could then attach to the travois so we wouldn't have to keep placing the log. This worked very well and we knew we were onto something big. We were going to name the round things after me but hums was already taken for songs without words so we were sort of stuck. We were still debating what to call them when we came to a bit of a downhill slope and the contraption started moving faster than Mimi could manage. We all jumped on (the contraption not Mimi) and as it got faster and faster Mimi started to yell "WHEEEEEEEEEL". The rest of the story is prehistory!

Time for me nap

[Tcoat]

Summer tires totally suck in the cold.
Winter tires totally suck in the heat.
All season tires only slightly suck in the cold or heat.
They are a compromise but are perfect for a DD in certain areas where the temperatures don't get too high or too low during the year.
I would not use all seasons in a place that is 90 or higher or 45 or lower for half the year.

Add me to the list of guys that are very, very happy with their A/S 3+ tires on their street driven daily driver. They are only 3 season tires for me though since I do still switch to actual winter tires when it is 0 and lower with deep snow. All seasons can't handle that shit.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

OH
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Let me do Hum!

I remember back in the day - dot dot dot


Time for me nap

That was good -


humfrz

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

*Buying my fourth set of RE71R's this week which will be my 8th set of tires for this car at 78k miles.

Yep, I got the picture - "ol strat61caster was here".




humfrz

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Johnny Horsepower

I might be swapping out the OEM tires soon, and I'm wondering about summer tires vs. all seasons.

I know people say all seasons are bad, but can we be more specific? Are we talking about adding tenths of a second at the track, or will it significantly impact daily driving enjoyment?

I'm leaning towards summers, though it sure would be nice to be able to drive when it's cold (if the roads are clear).

daily driving, not hooning, i doubt that you'll notice a difference.

i run all-seasons all the time now. i've never had summer tires besides the oem eco tires. i did run winter tires for 2 seasons.

i'm very happy with all-seasons. i use the bfgoodrich g-force comp 2 a/s. they're stickier than the oem tires, and if winter tires are 10/10 traction in snowy/icy conditions, these are 7-8/10's. i expect they would perform similarly to pure-summer tires. it simply means that i'm slightly slower, slightly more slippery, but still very much in control. i don't need 10/10's for the way i drive my car.

in my area around chicago, snow/ice on the roads generally last about 8-10 hours after any snow/rain event, during which they salt the crap out of the roads. by the next day, the majority of roads are clear enough that the oem eco tires function fine, but because they're summer tires, the rubber compound isn't correct for the ambient temperature in those conditions. and when the roads get more than 4" of snow, people generally fall into a panic and they create driving bans so i don't need extreme ground clearance or spectacular winter tire traction.

for me, i like maintaining vehicles in a state that i can rely on it if needed under any condition, and all seasons, while a compromise in ultimate performance, offer a larger degree of conditions that i can rely on the vehicle to operate within.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by gravitylover

^^Haha!



How many miles do you have on your car? 6 sets of tires ought to last 175,000 miles at least unless you drive like a 25 year old The least I've gotten out of a set on this car is about 25k on winters that were driven right into the summer on hot pavement otherwise it's been 40k or so for all seasons. I've just put the third set of 3 season tires on and I'm at 115k now.

i drive like a 6 year old. so i'm nearing getting a 3rd set at 35k.

it's actually pretty decent for me.

[gravitylover]

Wow you guys are hard on tires. Maybe my perception is skewed because most of my miles are highway which is easier on them but I was disappointed I didn't get much over 30k on the Conti's considering the crap stockers got me well over 40k (miserable miles).