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Old 06-05-2019, 08:05 AM   #71
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I actually thought that they were pretty good tires. I have gotten over 42K out of them and they could actually go further. But they did lack in wet conditions.

I have decided to get the Michelin Premier A/S tires. The car is a daily driver and it is my wife's car so those should be fine. The car is still going to handle great with these. Michelin gives these a 9 on a 10 scale for handling. They are 60k tires so that is nice. Thanks!
Yeah, those should be a great improvement over the OEM Bridgestones! If she's not going to the race track or autocross, should be fine. FYI Tire Rack test review and customer survey rankings of the Premier A/S:
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I'm resurrecting this two year old thread because it hits on what I'm mulling over right now. When the weather turns cold I'm going to need some suitable tires for my recently acquired 86 or I'll have to park it for the winter. The 86 is not my only car, so when the roads are truly sloppy I can always drive my winter tire equipped AWD VW wagon. But when it's cold and the roads are relatively clean I'd still like to drive the 86 when I can. I found a test that charts the relative performance of summer, all-season, all-weather, winter and nordic winter tires. I'm thinking my winter set up is going to be all-weather (with the three peak mountain snowflake rating) so I can have some semblance of handling and braking when the roads are cold and dry or cool and wet.
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The problem of the all season tire is not about the summer, actually if you only daily drive it you may not really notice too much difference.
But when the snow falls, everything changed. Driving a RWD car with all season tire on even mild snow is very, very dangerous. Any hard brake/uphill stop&go/sharp turn may put you in trouble.
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The problem of the all season tire is not about the summer, actually if you only daily drive it you may not really notice too much difference.
But when the snow falls, everything changed. Driving a RWD car with all season tire on even mild snow is very, very dangerous. Any hard brake/uphill stop&go/sharp turn may put you in trouble.
Driving ANY vehicle with all season tires when it is really cold out (it isn't the snow so much as the temperature) is not a good plan.
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There are plenty of good all-season tires that are perfectly fine in cold, cold/wet, and light snow. There are also plenty that suck in those conditions. It's one "category" but there is a *very* wide range of performance capabilities in different conditions.
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There are plenty of good all-season tires that are perfectly fine in cold, cold/wet, and light snow. There are also plenty that suck in those conditions. It's one "category" but there is a *very* wide range of performance capabilities in different conditions.

This is true. Some of them absolutely suck. I’ve driven RWD cars on summers in the snow with better results than some “all seasons”
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If you want to run autocross or the occasional track day, two sets of tires and wheels is worth the investment. I have a set of Falken 660s on RPF1 wheels and although they're awesome for SCCA solo events, they're so soft that you can hear all the pebbles hitting the wheel wells on the street. I've worn the Primacy OEM tires down to the wear bars and have a set of Pirelli all seasons on the way.
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There are plenty of good all-season tires that are perfectly fine in cold, cold/wet, and light snow. There are also plenty that suck in those conditions. It's one "category" but there is a *very* wide range of performance capabilities in different conditions.
The difference I think is what's being considered 'cold'. Under 7*C (45* in weird units for you folks) most all seasons are already starting to get hard and it's time to put on true winter tires; no matter the conditions. Once you get into snow territory then you really should have winter tires. Lots of people think "oh it's fine, I can control the car ok" but then if they get convinced to try real winter tires they realize just how much better they are.

This is why I have 3 sets of tires; summer, winter, track!
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The difference I think is what's being considered 'cold'. Under 7*C (45* in weird units for you folks) most all seasons are already starting to get hard and it's time to put on true winter tires; no matter the conditions. Once you get into snow territory then you really should have winter tires. Lots of people think "oh it's fine, I can control the car ok" but then if they get convinced to try real winter tires they realize just how much better they are.

This is why I have 3 sets of tires; summer, winter, track!
I've got a set of all season tires - General G-Max AS-05. Had them for over 2 years now and have experienced no issue or extremely little change in feel from season to season. Summers here get to 37C+ and winters as low as -20C or worse at times. I don't drive in the snow as I have a backup car for that. But the cold temperatures never gave me any scares and the tires have ran flawlessly.
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I think a lot of this discussion is based on your experience bias. For example, I've always lived in relatively mild winter climates. The furthest North I've lived is the DC Metro area. I've driven in snow many times with all-seasons with no issues even in uncharacteristic snowfall.

Winter tires do not make a lot of sense in these areas. They certainly would be benefit, but not sure they are a necessary expense as long as you know when NOT to drive.
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The difference I think is what's being considered 'cold'. Under 7*C (45* in weird units for you folks) most all seasons are already starting to get hard and it's time to put on true winter tires; no matter the conditions. Once you get into snow territory then you really should have winter tires.
Most *decent* all-seasons are fine down to much *much* colder temps than 45*F. And there are all-seasons that are pretty good in some limited snow.

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Lots of people think "oh it's fine, I can control the car ok" but then if they get convinced to try real winter tires they realize just how much better they are.
Performance varies between winter tires just like it does with all-seasons, and any category. Ferinstance while my Pirelli SottoZero3 winter tires are pretty great in warm wet and dry conditions, they aren't as good in the snow as other winter tires I've run, probably only about as good as the best-in-snow all-seasons. And some winter tires lose all their advantage in winter conditions at half-worn, not so great...

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This is why I have 3 sets of tires; summer, winter, track!
I have winter tires for winter because I *know* I'll have to drive in snow a fair amount. For those who live in climates without much/any snow, *good* all-seasons make more sense, even if temps get below freezing and some some light(ish) snow may be in the cards.

Oh yeah, I'm comfortable with metric units, but F are better units for humans than C. Where C is standard, thermostats have to have 0.5C increments because Celsius degrees are about 2x too big! Something to be said for a scale where 100 is damhot and 0 is damcold, vs. arbitrarily going with freezing point and boiling point of water at standard sea-level conditions. Too few degrees for too wide a temp spread.
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Old 07-07-2021, 01:22 PM   #83
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my "sets" are just two, summer & winter. having limited grip of hybrid/compromise/universal summer-and-track, lets also save on other mods that might be more needed to accompany grippier tires, eg. BBK, stiffer suspension and such. Grippier tires often also wear faster. Not going overboard with tire grip helps keep spendings down a LOT, and even on less grippy tires one can have a lot of fun on track. And not making car too track oriented keeps it way more usable & comfortable on streets, if it's the only car.
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I do summers and snows on my WRX. But I do summers and all seasons on my BRZ. If snow is in the picture I take the WRX. If not I have drive all seasons in many winters without issue. If the BRZ was my only car I would get snows and just deal with soft tires on all those good weather days. Probably only need snow about 15 days in the winter.
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